Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial [SPINOFF]

Rory

Filmmaker
Interesting decision to hire Stephen Limbaugh, cousin of alt-right figure Rush Limbaugh, to do the walkthrough. I've just looked at Stephen Limbaugh's Twitter account, in which he says that COVID-19 is a "non-pandemic". Not surprised. Meanwhile, in New York City, where I am, this "non-pandemic" has killed over 21,000 people.

I won't be purchasing this library.
 
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Interesting decision to hire Stephen Limbaugh, cousin of alt-right figure Rush Limbaugh, to do the walkthrough. I've just looked at Stephen Limbaugh's Twitter account, in which he says that COVID-19 is a "non-pandemic". Not surprised.

I won't be purchasing this library.
Please share a link where he says that. Really shocking and saddening : (
 
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Rory

Rory

Filmmaker
Please share a link where he says that. Really shocking and saddening : (
Twitter, April 19:

"Has there been a more useless group during this non-pandemic than the Silicone Valley commentariat? Ive never seen a wider gap between shit talk & zero consequential action."
That isn't all. He also says that he was defying California Governor Gavin Newsome's order banning church assemblies, referring to Newsome as "Governor Diocletian".
 

VladK

Member
This derail is not something new. There was a lot of outrage and protests against inviting some Russian musicians, such as Matsuev and Butman, who supported Russian invasion to Ukraine and annexion of Crimea, to perform on NYC stages, for example.
Music might be separate from politics, and there is free speech, of course. In the modern world it is not hard to be kept well informed, and to decide for ourselve whom to deal with. At the same time, we should not decide for others.
Social responsibility is something desired, especially from role models, i.e. celebrities, but is not legally required, which is very fortunate, because society changes much faster than laws.
 
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Rory

Rory

Filmmaker
VSL made a deliberate marketing decision and I'm talking about the impact of that marketing decision on me as a customer. VSL can hardly be surprised if potential purchasers notice, and comment, on the fact that a person who is part of their marketing campaign denies that a pandemic exists and has defied government orders banning church services.

Sorry, but I live in a city where over 21,000 people have died, and this isn't acceptable.
 

sostenuto

Big NKS Fan !
Definitely need VSL Synchron Bosendorfer Imperial ... massive apologetic discount !!

Now watching for more helpful User / expert discussion and analysis. :geek:
 

ptram

Senior Member
This is not all – among the authors of the demos I see three antisemitic composers like Bach, Beethoven and Schumann. One who escaped Russia while the people was taking power. Not to say about the father of Cosima Wagner, the spiritual mother of nazism!

I can't wait for an AI system that can immediately recognize intolerable political positions in music, so that I can discriminate my choices. Emphasis on discriminate.

Paolo
 

sostenuto

Big NKS Fan !
This is not all – among the authors of the demos I see three antisemitic composers like Bach, Beethoven and Schumann. One who escaped Russia while the people was taking power. Not to say about the father of Cosima Wagner, the spiritual mother of nazism!

I can't wait for an AI system that can immediately recognize intolerable political positions in music, so that I can discriminate my choices.

Paolo
Careful what You wish for !! Could reduce VI-C content to a virtual trickle :scout:
 
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Rory

Rory

Filmmaker
This is not all – among the authors of the demos I see three antisemitic composers like Bach, Beethoven and Schumann.
None of those people is trying to sell me a product and asking me for money. The extraordinary thing is that VSL uploaded Limbaugh's video today, presumably knowing full well that he denies that a pandemic exists and is among those attending church assemblies in defiance of government orders. These people, some of whom are attending demonstrations with guns, are a real problem in the U.S., the good news being that the vast majority of people reject their views and their behaviour.
 
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Casiquire

Senior Member
Art and politics have always been linked. I don't think it's irrelevant to bring up such connections. On the other hand you can't bring in a hundred people to work on a library and marketing and everything, and know all of the beliefs and histories of each and every one of them, and I understand that not being a company's primary concern. If I were to find out that VSL or its owners are taking profits from these libraries and donating them to causes that downplay the pandemic and lead to harm, that would cross a line for me. If there's a pattern of VSL only ever using crazy people with crazy beliefs to market their products, that would also cross a line. I haven't seen such a pattern, and as it stands, this is just one person in a very big machine, and it's a very good thing to bring up so VSL knows this is an issue for some people but it doesn't lead me to boycott.

As far as the library itself... I'm very curious. Synchron pianos have sounded fantastic so far but I didn't have much interest in Yamaha or Steinway, but now with Bechstein and a Bosie they have my interest. Time for a new SSD perhaps...this sounds so good
 

creativeforge

the plumber
It has plenty to do with the company trying to sell the product.
Unless he was hired well in advance, prior to the pandemic, and there's a contract, and too much invested already, etc. If he were to voice his own opinions on the pandemic as a spokesperson, that would be out of line, and would be a bigger issue, and I'm pretty sure VSL would interject.

People have problems on all sides of issues, and we can't hold companies entirely responsible for not reflecting our own perspectives in their hiring/contracting. However, yes, we have the freedom to point it out to them (maybe a direct email could also help, which you may already have done). and for making our own customer's choices and vote with our wallets.

Just my opinion.
 

VladK

Member
Rory,
I understand how painful is anything COVID-related to folks from NYC. My house is just 25 min from the Lincoln Tunnel, and I work in Midtown (remote now).
But we live in a big and interconnected world.
There are people who deny pandemics, and this is painful for you; there are those who support Russian invasion to Ukraine, which is very painful for mothers of Ukrainians killed; there are those who began wars in Lybia, Siria, those who perform genocide in Africa or in China; there are places where not rapists but raped can be executed; there are those who hate LGBT (there is very big and famous private American company that regularly makes donations to to anti-LGBT groups, for example), those who hate jews, muslims, people of color; there are many Europeans who hate Americans, by the way. We can continue the list...
My point is, we all have our personal pains and idiosyncrasies, and what is important and painful for you might be of zero interest to somebody else. And vice versa. Everybody should have the right to express their opinion, and you have the right to respond. As long as what they do and what you do is not against the law. Moral for one may be immoral for other. And moral today may become immoral tomorrow.
 

jamwerks

Senior Member
It has plenty to do with the company trying to sell the product.
I'm as anti-Limbaugh as it seems you are, politically speaking. But you are making a mistake imo by implying that a company would necessarily have the same views as any singular employee, or even back-up the opinion of every single employee. And his presence on their team has nothing to do with this product specifically.
 

scoredfilms

Stranded in limbo
I've read the Old and New Testament, scientific journals, parts of the Quran, the Book of Mormon, voted for democrats and republicans, etc. Beethoven could have been a capitalist, communist, socialist, Catholic, Muslim, LDS, Jew, Atheist, or any other ism... friends with Trump and/or Obama... and I'd still enjoy his music. This VSL library was likely made by many multiple people. It's unlikely they all agree on everything. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me.

A favorite quote: "Never let a problem to be solved become more important than a person to be loved". Ultimately, we're either compassionate with others or more in love with our own opinions, ego, and how right we surely must be. The real answer to conflict isn't "sticking it to them". I enjoy meeting people with very different views from my own. I enjoy working with them too. I'd argue the real reason to buy the piano is for its own merits and one's use for it. But one can never know how beautiful a Bösendorfer is if they despise the politics of Austria so much that they refuse to buy anything from there, can they? It's one thing not to buy. It's another thing to call everyone's attention in an attempt to disrupt other people's work.

Let's keep VI-Control free from book burning and art burning when we don't agree with the author.
 
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TinderC

Supplicant ... for now
Here in the US when some celebrity crosses the line somehow they lose their lucrative endorsements. This Limbaugh cousin is no celebrity but he has crossed the line if he calls COVID a non-pandemic. If anyone including a VI-C member expresses an opinion that could have some bearing on whether Limbaugh gets future work, so be it. VSL gets a wet noodle flogging for hiring him in the first place. I mean come on, with the name Limbaugh?
 

Michael Antrum

Only the good die young....
I've read the Old and New Testament, scientific journals, parts of the Quran, the Book of Mormon, voted for democrats and republicans, etc. Beethoven could have been a capitalist, communist, socialist, Catholic, Muslim, LDS, Jew, Atheist, or any other ism... friends with Trump and/or Obama... and I'd still enjoy his music. This VSL library was likely made by many multiple people. It's unlikely they all agree on everything. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me.

A favorite quotes: "Never let a problem to be solved become more important than a person to be loved". Ultimately, we're either compassionate with others or more in love with our own opinions, ego, and how right we sure must be. The real answer to conflict isn't "sticking it to them". I enjoy meeting people with very different views from my own. I enjoy working with them too. I'd argue the real reason to buy the piano is for its own merits and one's use for it. But one can never know how beautiful a Bösendorfer is if they despise the politics of Austria so much that they refuse to buy anything from there, can they? It's one thing not to buy. It's another thing to call everyone's attention in an attempt to disrupt other people's work.

Let's keep VI-Control free from book burning and art burning when we don't agree with the author.
Sorry, but have I missed something ?