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So you have a list of other ARA plugins?
I'm really asking out of interest, because yes, with S1 ARA actually has a great benefit.
No. My bad. I though you were talking about ARA supporting DAWs.
So you have a list of other ARA plugins?
I'm really asking out of interest, because yes, with S1 ARA actually has a great benefit.
Hi,
I understand you are enthusiastic about Studio One but giving false or uneducated information without knowing Logic Pro or any other DAW at all is just wrong and wastes peoples time.
Smart tempo has nothing to do with Melodyne and no Studio One does not have it (If you knew what smart tempo in Logic is you wouldn't say Studio One has it too anyway)
Or Auto Track Zoom
You do not know Logic Q Sampler's features but yet you say Stdio One Sampler has them all.
Please.
Thank You.
ARA is not dead, it's just making its way to the industry. Like VST3 it was ignored for a long time. It is pointless to ignore this standart as it gives a much deeper access to audio related data, which allows much more sophisticated solutions. One of the reason people are begging iZotope to develop an ARA version of RX is exactly because of the opportunities it gives to an end user.Because Presonus advertises (or advertised) that. Same as DP with Zynaptiq (which is really embedded). In reality ARA as standard is already dead, there are IIRC two more programs/plugins that use it.
Oh, it's 3 more (Spectralayers also supports it)
Audio Random Access - Wikipedia
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It is pointless to ignore this standart as it gives a much deeper access to audio related data, which allows much more sophisticated solutions.
Yes, and that's also the main problem implementing it, because you have to _deeply_ integrate it in your audio engine. That's why it is a problem for DAWs that haven't been designed with such a possibility in mind (like S1 did).
What missing is a real integration of Notion and S1 (no, the 'Send to S1' and 'Send to Notion' are not what I'd call integration).
And the plugin API I have problems with is AU, because that doesn't support MIDI generation. But I've just been fiddling a bit with JUCE and MIDI plugins and in no way know múch about the VST APIs.
I don't think Presonus advertised that Logic Smart Tempo is powered by ARA
Yes
Click and hold the right side of last selected note ( you should see the sizing tool)
Press alt/option while holding
and drag now
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Faruh, Logic also has Groove quantize that works with any MIDI or audio file.
Just saying, not trying to discourage anyone from Studio One. With the little I have worked with it, I already see that if Logic were to go away, it would be my DAW.
We almost slipped into another DAW war
There are no perfect DAWs.
I'm not sure why it confuses you. Of course you have an instrument track in the Arrangement, otherwise you wouldn't be able to send notes to Kontakt. If you want your track to have a different name than your channel and/or you don't want track and channel to be linked, you can set the channel to "None" in the inspector. Of course you don't see the channelstrip in the inspector anymore... well, if that's what you want Additionally, I think "Close" is not the right name because it does not say anything about your instrument. You would end up having 200 "Close" channels in the console.1.Routing
1)You see this "Close" track and 3 channels in a mixer, dedicated to this instrument? It's Kontakt with 3 mics output routing. I renamed the first channel to "Close" because it's the first stereo output in Kontakt and I see this name in an Arrange window which confuses a little bit. And the more project builds up, the more confusing it becmoes. Another minor, but unpleasing thing.
Why do you have to add a number of different instruments in the same Kontakt? I understand that if you want to layer them... but otherwise you could also have different instruments in different Kontakt instances. It's more flexible, easier to route in the mixer and easier to remove and add new instruments.2)Using this "Close" track example again, imagine that you have to add a number of different instruments in the same Kontakt
Why is it impossible? When I want all instrument outputs to be mirrored in the Arrangement, I just add some more instrument tracks and link them to the corresponding channel. You don't need to do this but you can.2)Using this "Close" track example again, imagine that you have to add a number of different instruments in the same Kontakt, each of them has at least 2 mics, but it's impossible to see them at the same time in an Arrange window(something you would want in big projects and if you aren't a big fan of classic mixing layout).
I'm not totally sure if you know what MIDI channels are...? "Audio channels tied to MIDI channels" does not make any sense to me. An audio channel can be linked to an instrument track. You can have one instrument track but many instrument outputs. You can have many instrument tracks going to the same instrument (on different MIDI channels if you want) but only one instrument output. And you can have as many instrument tracks as you want and multiple output channels... then you can link them if you want to, but you don't need to.The best you can do is to switch between those mics in an inspector. It would be soooo much easier if the audio channels were tied to certain midi channels. I don't know how they can implement that(maybe making automation tracks under midi channels more functional(like when you clicking on it, it shows you certaion audio channel) or something like that).
Also option + shift will temporarily change the arrow tool into a magnifying glass which behaves the same way logic does = drag to zoom in and click to undo zoom steps!!!Logic has a Zoom selected track. Does S1 have anything like that? So I can have my tracks a smaller to medium size - when I select a track it zooms up to a size I determine. Select another track, that track zooms, the other track goes back to the smaller size. Very handy.
@Faruh Al-Baghdadi Okay, it seems to me that you have not yet internalized the concept of working with multitimbral instruments with multiple outputs in Studio One.
I'm not sure why it confuses you. Of course you have an instrument track in the Arrangement, otherwise you wouldn't be able to send notes to Kontakt. If you want your track to have a different name than your channel and/or you don't want track and channel to be linked, you can set the channel to "None" in the inspector. Of course you don't see the channelstrip in the inspector anymore... well, if that's what you want Additionally, I think "Close" is not the right name because it does not say anything about your instrument. You would end up having 200 "Close" channels in the console.
Why do you have to add a number of different instruments in the same Kontakt? I understand that if you want to layer them... but otherwise you could also have different instruments in different Kontakt instances. It's more flexible, easier to route in the mixer and easier to remove and add new instruments.
Why is it impossible? When I want all instrument outputs to be mirrored in the Arrangement, I just add some more instrument tracks and link them to the corresponding channel. You don't need to do this but you can.
I'm not totally sure if know what MIDI channels are...? "Audio channels tied to MIDI channels" does not make any sense to me. An audio channel can be linked to an instrument track. You can have one instrument track but many instrument outputs. You can have many instrument tracks going to the same instrument (on different MIDI channels if you want) but only one instrument output. And you can have as many instrument tracks as you want and multiple output channels... then you can link them if you want to, but you don't need to.
Please correct me if I'm missing your point.
OkLike I wrote, I created this project just as an example. Ofcourse I'm not naming every instrument "Close, Amb and Tree" :D
It was pretty common 15 years ago, in times when RAM was very limited and software workstations like HyperSonic, Bandstand, SampleTank were en vogue. Nowadays RAM is not a big issue anymore so everyone can have the workflow they prefer. In terms of CPU utilization, some companies (not sure if I recently read it on Native Instruments' or Spectrasonics' website) recommend using multiple plug-in instances if a multi core system is used. On my system, one instance of Kontakt takes about 120 MB of RAM. If 34 instances of Kontakt use 4 GB, I'm okay with that.Adding different instruments in Kontak is a pretty common practice. One instance of Kontakt takes about 400mb of RAM. Also, it is much easier to layer different instruments for one purpose(sound or SFX) in one instance of the plugin.
Well... that's not really the purpose of arrangement. If you don't have any note data (or automation data) on a track, you don't need it actually. If you want to mix these audio outputs, that's what the mixer is for. The arrangement is for... you know. Sure, everyone has their workflow. That's why you can do this. But I see the Song Data Import does not provide what you need. Did you check if there's already a feature request for that so we can push that one?Just adding instrument tracks and adding audiochannels to them it is what creates the mess.
For example, I want to use Battery as a multi output instrument(audio outputs). There can be up to 32 mono or 16 stereo audio channels. I want to use all of them. It means I'll have to create 16 or 32 midi tracks every time I need those audio channels manualy(because now this feature doesn't work via Import Song Data: every time I import created layout with Battary, it adds the instrumet, the channels and the tracks, but all these tracks are imported with default 1/2 stereo pair instead of the routing I assigned to it in the template from which I import stuff).
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It was pretty common 15 years ago, in times when RAM was very limited and software workstations like HyperSonic, Bandstand, SampleTank were en vogue. Nowadays RAM is not a big issue anymore so everyone can have the workflow he prefers. In terms of CPU utilization, some companies (not sure if I recently read it on Native Instruments' or Spectrasonics' website) recommend using multiple plug-in instances if a multi core system is used. On my system, one instance of Kontakt takes about 120 MB of RAM. If 34 instances of Kontakt use 4 GB, I'm okay with that.
Well... that's not really the purpose of arrangement. If you don't have any note data (or automation data) on a track, you don't need it actually. If you want to mix these audio outputs, that's what the mixer is for. The arrangement is for... you know. Sure, everybody has his workflow. That's why you can do this. But I see the Song Data Import does not provide what you need. Did you check if there's already a feature request for that so we can push that one?
Not at all! I'd recommend you create one. It's not only about the number of votes... when PreSonus think about a certain feature, it's good for them to have more information about how users expect it to work.No, I didn't find any requests in this regard and I think it's pointless to make them
Hmmm, I don't think they have a general advertising problem... there are many people making YouTube tutorials. Gregor Beyerle did a great video on that, Marcus Huyskens did a great video... and PreSonus did a video on Song Data Import when Studio One 4 was released. I did a video (in German)... I think YouTube is a great place to explore Studio One features. But I agree... Song Data Import and especially the browser feature is worth making better known.Btw, Lukas, don't you think that PreSonus have an advertising problem? Like why don't they advertise features like Import Song Data(especially the ability to just take whatever you need right from the browser). This is such a cool feature, but people often find out about by accidents and on forums .