Spitfire Solo Strings.. help?

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by EBicks, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. StillLife

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    Great post. Emotional realism - exactly what I am also always striving for!
    I do tend to disagree about your comment that you cannot 'just play' SSoS. I posted a snippet of (singer/songwriter-like) music that was me 'just playing' shorts and progressive vib articulations, just using the modwheel while playing. Hoping (and thinking) it did not sound like a dead cat... I do understand much more is possible with this lib, and you can really tailor the sounds to your needs.
    I also have the JB violin, which is a remarkable instrument indeed, but just like ism had with bohemian, I am having a hard time to make it fit my tunes. With SSoS, I really have a sense I can make the strings sound how I want them to sound. There's an inherent musicality (or indeed 'sonority') to these samples that makes me want to play with them, make music (I guess it IS a drug, jbuhler...).
    In case it wasn't obvious already: I love SSoS, for me best vi-purchase of the year.
     
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  2. Guy Rowland

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    ism - just playing with again now and putting it into the all-new template. The sound that is most irritating to me is that extreme ducking sound, as if someone has yanked the gain knob and very quickly turned it up / down by 10db. A very unnatural sound. It seems to be most pronounced when riding the CCs, something is going squiffy there.

    I strongly agree with those who say that the spiccato overlay on the Total Performance patch needs to be adjustable - personally I'd set it more at the 100 mark, not 9. That pronounced dig is something I associate with whacking the keys pretty hard. I get that this is meant to be a virtuoso playing style but if rapidly guides you into this over-emphasised path that is wearing to listen to. The buttery legato transitions are such an extreme contrast that it doesn't help. Don't get me wrong, it sounds great in and of itself, but has to be more judicious in its application. Oh, and yes some of those rebowings are a) incredibly quick after the start of the note and b) pretty ungainly, which is more stuff to find ways around.

    First time I loaded the articulations patch for the Virtuoso, none of the long articulations had any release triggers. I loaded the individual ones and they were fine, went back to the main combo patch and then the release triggers were there ok this time. Exactly the same thing happened with all the other combo articulation patches. Combined with that GUI issue I had earlier - which thankfully hasn't come back yet today in VE Pro - I'm pretty nervous about the reliability of the engine all round.

    Then I had to get reacquainted with Sptfires's, um, idiosyncratic method of keyswitching. I needed to reassign all the keyswitches to my layout convention which is seemingly straightforward enough, but this doesn't actually work unless you click "Locked to Program Change" in the drop down menu of the padlock bottom left for every single articulation. If that strikes you as very odd indeed, well it does me too. If you don't do this, you get double allocations everywhere. Its thus taken me a loooong time just to get the first three instruments to basic setup.

    Out of scope of this thread really, but I definitely buy into the whole Virtual Performer thing - just as we don't want to tell real musicians exactly how to play every single note, it is clearly the way forward for me to instruct a broad playing style rather than every single nuance. Bohemian accordingly loved me and told me I was simply wonderful from the very first notes I played (I don't find the different arcs too constraining, ism). It feels a bit like what Spitfire are trying to do here with the virtuoso patch, but its nothing like the same experience... by contrast Solo Strings is a mardy, borderline sarcastic and tempermental diva.

    But that's something I have to make my peace with - Still Life has shown its possible to get lovely things out of this without hours of editing, so I should perservere. Once again available time has beaten me today to get it to a point where I can start actually writing something with it.
     
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    EBicks New Member

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    Just wanted to say thanks for the input everyone! I didn’t expect to get such a large amount of great information when originally posting this.. ha ha. Looking forward to spending more time with the Lib to get the best out of it
     
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  4. IdealSequenceG

    IdealSequenceG Who seeks ultimate sequencing of VI

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    yes

     
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  5. ism

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    You’re quite right. I was focusing very specifically on crafting a certain style of very orchestral line with the legato. Trust me, I can make it sound like a dying cat in this context.

    But your piece - and this is why I found it so interesting - is a reminded of another huge sweet spot of the library - it’s sheer sonority.

    The amazing thing about the first few demos of this library, which I think were released before the legato was ready - is that with not a legato transition in sight, they had an amazing solo string quality that I think is just in a whole other arm of the aesthetic universe from anything I’d heard with a sample library before.

    So it’s a good reminder that I should get my head out of the legato for a bit and think about some of the rest of the library.

    I’m going to listen to you piece a few more times before offering any suggests (though seriously, I am not an expert especially in pop. but it might be interesting to see if there are any technical tips from the orchestral legato world that might be relevant in the world of pop sonority.)

    I might also go back to Christian’s in action video - which is a bit of a masterclass in crafting the sonority of the library in itself, and will probably offer you more insight than anything I can suggest.
     
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  6. Rey

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    wow very pretty thank you
     
  7. IdealSequenceG

    IdealSequenceG Who seeks ultimate sequencing of VI

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  8. joebaggan

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    What is the memory footprint for each of the Spitfire Solo Strings patches? I'm mostly used to libs with a small footprint and was recently surprised at how big (1gb) the Fluffy wind solo instruments are since I don't have a ton of RAM.
     
  9. mventura

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    With the close and tree mics on each instrument is about 1 GB. There are economic patches that only have a few articulations. There also are individual articulation patches.
     
  10. Scamper

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    I used to get this more with older Spitfire libraries, but restarting the Kontakt Engine with the "!"-button also fixed it for me.
     
  11. joebaggan

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    Thanks, by "economic" patches, what size are those about? One thing I like about the LASS First Chair strings are that they are small size (e.g. 100mb) and fast to load, so wondering if SSS has similar size patches.
     
  12. mventura

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    ~500 MB with 2 mics turned on
     
  13. ism

    ism Senior Member

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    First chair Vl /w 1 mic - 319M
    Virtuosic Vl /w 1 mic & time machine disabled - 430M
    Va 1 mic - 285M
    Vc 1 mic 360M
     
  14. Casiquire

    Casiquire Senior Member

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    That sounds wonderful! That's the CLOSE mic though?!
     
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  15. brenneisen

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  16. rottoy

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    Fuck yes, dropping some Hisaishi in here! (Kiki's Delivery Service, in this case.)
     
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  17. mventura

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    Anyone getting phasing issues with the viola? I get bumps/hiccups when going from p to f but not say mf to ff.
     
  18. fiction

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    1st desk also... and some phasing on virtuoso too
     
  19. Casiquire

    Casiquire Senior Member

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    Yes. That's my point. Thing is drenched in room sound.
     
  20. mventura

    mventura Member

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    That must have a reverb plugin on it. The close mics don't sound like that. They are pretty dry. I can't even use the tree mic on this library because it's too roomy and wet.
     
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