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Spitfire Audio “This is London Calling” - BBC Symphony Orchestra

barteredbride

Hello and hola...a Brit in Spain
The more I think about this, the more I like the concept. Some people relish the freedom of piecemeal-ing their template together from various developers and libraries. Strings from X, solo strings from Y, woodwinds from Z, etc. I personally find that somewhat annoying and cumbersome - especially when it comes to blending it all together. BBCSO will finally be a holistic solution, delivered all at once (vs. over years like Cinematic Studio). Hollywood Orchestra did this but I’m not a fan of their approach to patches and the Play engine.
But...and forgive my naivety, you can already do this with something like Spitfire Symphony Orchestra.

Or am I missing something?

They both had to be sampled over a number of months, by section, and it's pretty much the same instrumentation.

Apart from (obviously) the different space and players, how is this so different?
 

jamwerks

Senior Member
Not sure we will be wanting the same mic's used across all instruments anyway. Yeah surely same mic's for the 5 string parts, but then WW's would often have a different amount of close mic, and Brass yet still a different amount. So not sure we want to a centralized control on this.

If I like one of the (2) mix mic's, I'll probably use that for strings, with everybody else getting tree mic full up & close mic's on CC automation for per instrument control.
 
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redlester

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But...and forgive my naivety, you can already do this with something like Spitfire Symphony Orchestra.

Or am I missing something?

They both had to be sampled over a number of months, by section, and it's pretty much the same instrumentation.

Apart from (obviously) the different space and players, how is this so different?
The price!
 

redlester

Active Member
Hello,

I’ve made a countdown timer for the release/activation day...

https://www.arewethere.yt/Spitfire-Audio-BBC-Symphony-Orchestra/105798.htm

I’m not sure what time on the 24th October will actually receive our activation codes, but set it for midnight BST. I can amend the time if anyone knows?

Also, I hope I’m not contravening any rights issues here by using the background image (I can delete it if I am).
Think most new Spitfire products go live around late afternoon or early evening, at least in the recent past.
 

christianhenson

Active Member
Having a single universal core that other people have is the biggest selling point for me, I'll get my orchestrator a copy and boom, finish a cue, bam, send it over. I give my assistant a copy, need it track laying, boom bang it over with all stems prepared.... all I have to do is include audio. It means if I'm working on a big series and need someone offsite to make 1m43 from ep1 into 7m11 in ep 7 then all I need to check is if they have a copy of BBCSO (oh and a good sine wave).
 

Garry

Senior Member
Having a single universal core that other people have is the biggest selling point for me, I'll get my orchestrator a copy and boom, finish a cue, bam, send it over. I give my assistant a copy, need it track laying, boom bang it over with all stems prepared.... all I have to do is include audio. It means if I'm working on a big series and need someone offsite to make 1m43 from ep1 into 7m11 in ep 7 then all I need to check is if they have a copy of BBCSO (oh and a good sine wave).
For me as a hobbyist, this makes sense that it would be extremely useful to composers and adds a lot of value, but it's something I'll personally never need. However, the potential universality of the platform is still the main selling point to me, but it depends on the extent to which it will be utilized, both by Spitfire and by the user community.

If Spitfire release demos, tutorials, etc on this platform, then I can load it up, and boom, I have exactly what they have on their screen - that's enormously valuable. They have mentioned several times that this is their intention, and what gives me confidence that they will follow through on this sort of sharing and community engagement? 1. LABS. 2 PianoBook. 3. BBC: education/entertainment is their stated purpose, so the collaboration with Spitfire, who have followed a similar ethos, is really exciting. Christian - I wonder if you can, either here or in a future vlog, give us a little more detail of your plans in this regard?

So the other aspect is the community: rather than releasing member compositions as audio files, people could, in theory at least, share their Logic BBSCO files. Perhaps not your latest and greatest, but snippets, illustrating a particular feature/progression/articulation. This would really stimulate the community if it happens, but I'm much less confident of this, based on previous discussions here of sharing such information.

I'm not sure this will happen on VI-C; ok, realistically, it will never happen here! A composers' forum, with professional musicians, is probably not the place, because the concern of plagiarism will be too great. But look at PianoBook, where people are sharing their own frickin' pianos! Painstakingly sampled, and freely shared, for the enjoyment of the community. I could imagine something similar, in which the community share musical ideas as BBCSO files, and other hobbyist composers, adapt them and re-share, and something interesting happens as the result of such collaboration, that wouldn't have happened with a single composer. Perhaps think of it along the lines of Eric Whitacre's online choir!

My other hope is YouTube: people like Ashton Gleckman have generously shared midi/Cubase/Logic files for their mockups; might this platform encourage Ashton and others to use BBCSO and share their files for educational purposes? I guess we'll see...
 
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Paul Jelfs

New Member
Wow . 111 pages and counting . Did anyone convert or make a template for this for Cubase ?

Consider doing one myself, but so many choices - articulation per midi track, multi, Ve Pro on host, ve pro on slave...... too much choice is definately not conducive to creative production !

What does the community thing , separate midi track per articulation or multis? I am more interested in the final composition but realise many do like the score at the end to be uncluttered with key switches
 

Alex Fraser

Senior Member
But...and forgive my naivety, you can already do this with something like Spitfire Symphony Orchestra.

Or am I missing something?

They both had to be sampled over a number of months, by section, and it's pretty much the same instrumentation.

Apart from (obviously) the different space and players, how is this so different?
The concept has been around for a while. But to put things in perspective, this is the last "orchestra in a box" I purchased, around 10-15 years ago:

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That's MOTU's Symphonic Instrument. Fun for the time, some limited articulations, no mics, no legato...and clocking in at 8gb.

I've always loved the concept of an orchestral library recorded in one place, designed to work as a cohesive whole. I hate attempting to "glue" different products together. That's why I brought the weirdly red thing above and why I'm looking forward to seeing what BBCSO can do. I reckon it'll be the ultimate example of the "all in" orchestra to date. Spitfire seem to be taking the concept and going several steps further.

Bring it.
 

James H

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This would really stimulate the community if it happens, but I'm much less confident of this, based on previous discussions here of sharing such information.

I'm not sure this will happen on VI-C; ok, realistically, it will never happen here!
You are probably right, but we could change that is the other answer?
Realistically you would need 2 threads. One for links/files only and the other for discussion and reference the #post number from there. Otherwise the community thread would quickly become a mess between files/discussion and quickly fall apart.
 

FinGael

Active Member
Having a single universal core that other people have is the biggest selling point for me, I'll get my orchestrator a copy and boom, finish a cue, bam, send it over. I give my assistant a copy, need it track laying, boom bang it over with all stems prepared.... all I have to do is include audio. It means if I'm working on a big series and need someone offsite to make 1m43 from ep1 into 7m11 in ep 7 then all I need to check is if they have a copy of BBCSO (oh and a good sine wave).
My suggestion: if possible, you could include a sine wave patch in the package too (as a tool), for the process to be as fluid as possible.

 

staypuft

New Member
But what happens if they don't?
You beg at Twitch huh ;)
jk

We don't all have a spare couple of grand laying around to get our orchestrator and assistant a copy, I guess it helps when you own the company huh ;)
Spitfire libraries were never aimed at the hobbyist market. A real working composer is used to much higher figures. Back in the day it would cost you no less than $30,000 to have copies of Symphonic Cube for your small team of one assistant and one orchestrator. $749 is a bargain for what we are getting now.
 

Wolfie2112

Senior Member
But what happens if they don't? We don't all have a spare couple of grand laying around to get our orchestrator and assistant a copy, I guess it helps when you own the company huh ;)

-DJ
Small beans these days, especially for a working composer (just another tool of the trade).
 
What do folks think of how BBCSO sounds in the demos and how this library might layer with other SA products (BHCT is of particular interest for me), or other libraries (OT Berlin series for example)? I really found the comparison track and YouTube video @christianhenson did for BHCT and SSO (with SCS) to be super helpful in thinking about these libraries, and I'm curious about something like this for BBCSO. This would be helpful to understand how libraries we already have might interact with BBCSO, and also help inform future purchase decisions - such as maybe wanting additional articulations for solo instruments and how a relevant library would sound with this new library.

For reference, the BHCT/SSO layer video:
 

Garry

Senior Member
What do folks think of how BBCSO sounds in the demos and how this library might layer with other SA products (BHCT is of particular interest for me), or other libraries (OT Berlin series for example)? I really found the comparison track and YouTube video @christianhenson did for BHCT and SSO (with SCS) to be super helpful in thinking about these libraries, and I'm curious about something like this for BBCSO. This would be helpful to understand how libraries we already have might interact with BBCSO, and also help inform future purchase decisions - such as maybe wanting additional articulations for solo instruments and how a relevant library would sound with this new library.

For reference, the BHCT/SSO layer video:
Yes, yes, yes; completely agree!! Need many more comparisons - that is key to making decisions on these libraries.
 

Wolfie2112

Senior Member
What do folks think of how BBCSO sounds in the demos
The demo "A New Chapter" is what has sold me so far on purchasing BBC. My only concern (with the sounds) at this point is the brass. In particular, the opening brass at 0:11 in the "Your Majesty" demo. I don't know if it's just the programming, but it sounds really synthetic to my ears. I'm anxious to hear a walkthrough.
 
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