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Hi there, Evo3 is available separately at full price http://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-z/pp021-evo-grid-3/ (here) there is a special edition deal on the https://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-z/the-evolutions-bundle/ (evolutions bundle) which is at a promo discount and includes http://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-z/symphonic-evolutions/ (symphonic evolutions) only up to and including Thursday this week (12th).

If I were to put my composer hat on Pixelee I would go with The Darris 2 & 3 definitely as my faves, Evo 1 has an edgy scarier sound but I find I use 2 more often. 3 is a total one off and very much a lovely compliment to Evos 1&2. I find Evo 4 gives my compositions a very fresh sound a lot of directors I work with appreciate this freshness, getting winds and brass to do what you'd usually get strings to do. I use it a lot in an excellent TV series called Inside No. 9.

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Already had EVO 1 and 4, and I jumped in and completed my bundle. Haven't been able to play around with them yet, but I know I'll be using them a lot. Real shame that Olflurb Arglarb's EVO isn't included in the bundle. It sounds awesome, but from what I've seen, it looks like at the moment, its CC7 won't go louder than my wallet screaming for mercy.
 

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Hey Simon, The whole evo range was recorded at Air-Edel, a space we use for more experimental and versatile applications. Mural Evos naturally are recorded in the hall though, which has a big epic signature. We see Evo as a more 'cross platform' tool that many composers and artists like Olafur Arnalds have embraced, alongside hardcore blockbuster users.... maybe time for me to show off how I use evos with the bigger stuff, the trick lies in turning off all the extra signals and layering as a top patina, and beautiful and delicate crust to your bigger BML works.

Hi. Yes, would be greatm to hear if you have any tips regarding reverb and such for blending it with the "bigger stuff". As said, I love the EVO principle and also the sound, it is just much narrower than Mural/Sable/all other libraries recorded in big spaces. And while I am at it, I LOVE the Olafur composers toolkit stuff - I almost built a complete film score around it this winter (movie just hit theaters here in Denmark). Very inspiring. I would encourage you to do a Vol II with Olafur if possible :)

I am currently trying out an Altiverb/EQ combination for making EVO wider and more airy but if you have any tips it would still be much appreciated.
 

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Hi. Yes, would be greatm to hear if you have any tips regarding reverb and such for blending it with the "bigger stuff". -

I am currently trying out an Altiverb/EQ combination for making EVO wider and more airy but if you have any tips it would still be much appreciated.

I also would like some tips. I love mural eve because it sits right alongside with my sable mural and all the BML tone. But i find the other Evos just dont fit the same tonal, imaging and feel of the air lyndhurst ones. SO somebody help!!! ;)
 
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Could I be so bold as to comment on this, and maybe I'll do a quick tip to back it up in the future.

Many many films are recorded in different rooms, vastly different rooms, I know of blockbusters that have recorded at Air Studios and Abbey Road simultaneously and you would never know. Often you're also hearing soloists recorded in the same room as the composer writes that the director has fallen in love with and has made stick. You don't hear it, save the odd tell tail fan whir. So for me it's about balance, positioning and reverb.... loads of it.

Evo3 has our own IR which really does work very nicely, so before investing I would say try that first. My theory is put the dry instrument in the 'room' first then, soak both this signal and the wetter one (ie something sampled or recorded in the hall at Air) with the same amount of the same reverb.

I have found that overdubbing or what I call underdubbing (ie recording say an ethnic flute before the sessions) a wind instrument in my completely arid environment is relatively easy to place in the room. The key is that fine balance of room, relative volume and mutual reverb love. I find that soloists are easier to work on, sections and sampled sections in particular are a tad more difficult to blend. But just a tad.

I think this boils down to what the ear recognises, and strings are our most familiar friends, so IMHO the most difficult to cheat, sample and hack.

So my advice would be to make sure your sampled sections recorded in different rooms aren't playing unique parts. So for Tutankhamun which I just finished today, I used a blend of Olafur, Mural and live. Whatever Olafur's evos were doing I matched in samples and sometimes live. This meant that Olafur 'emerged' out of the wider string section as a legitimate smaller sub section of the strings who were doing weird stuff. Sorry Olafur lovely weird stuff. My ear never goes "no, that sounds like something recorded in Berlin". But the balance is crucial, you don't want Mural to obliterate the wonder and interest of the Berlin efforts, but you also don't want it to suddenly leap out and feel too disparate.

On the subjects of verbs, first try reducing the reverb length on the one we have provided on the front panel (we've worked hard at this one and its very good) and use this as the "room" emulation then balance with your bigger samples and add your fave splosh across the two.

I haven't had time to try in anger yet but a friend demo'd me TVerb by Eventide and it literally blew my mind. At last something that differentiates between verb and room effect (even though they've called it Verb). Other than that I have to admit that I hate convolutions, for me you're running the same sample again and again and again and I swear I can hear verb machine gunning like you used to get with samples without round robins. My vote goes with anything that uses the TC VSS33 alg' if you can find an old Powercore and make it work, grab it! Or pick up an old TC6000 or a new one if you're rich. Virtually though I haven't heard anything beat the random hall on the native Lex pack... but if you're on a budget, our internal IR and Valhalla will get you across the line.

Sorry for indulgent waffle.

CH.
 

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Hey thank you Christian. Appreciated. SPAT is the only thing I trust at this point to me where I need to go with all my libs. It gives incredible power. But, with the BML line, I dont have to do hardly nuttin'! (provided I keep my mic choices sane) Wish it all were the same as that. :)
 

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Interesting answer that almost makes me wonder about the whole "recorded ambience" argument. Sometimes I think the "room" sound makes a very appealing selling point but in the end is possibly a red herring.

I think baked-in ambience while sounding beautiful is not realistic once you stack as in the real world the ambient Mics would be reflections of everything playing and the blend of sympathetic vibrations. A bit like when the snare springs vibrate on a drum kit when another drum is hit.
 
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I think the key to my argument is bedding your dry signals into the wet. I can't tell you how wrong I think you are regarding the "red herring" argument. It had us all in giggles. If that was the case why would people queue to record scores at Air studios... Whilst their coffee is nice, and their staff loveable, their mic cupboards gorgeous, and that Neve a bit tasty the room may have something to do with it. I am meeting so many people doing cribs and the phrases "its got to be fun" and "the easier the better" are becoming leitmotifs of our trade. But as I said above, it's easy to finesse a single oboe in position, a 60 piece string band, by all means go dry, but I'm going to get to the pub quicker than you procreative (and possibly win the pitch).... Sorry, I'm getting close to that thing that happened where the rest of the team banned me from here for a while so I'll shut up... Evo 3 is awesome, anyone tried it yet and want to share some work?
 

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Hi. Yes, would be greatm to hear if you have any tips regarding reverb and such for blending it with the "bigger stuff". As said, I love the EVO principle and also the sound, it is just much narrower than Mural/Sable/all other libraries recorded in big spaces. And while I am at it, I LOVE the Olafur composers toolkit stuff - I almost built a complete film score around it this winter (movie just hit theaters here in Denmark). Very inspiring. I would encourage you to do a Vol II with Olafur if possible :)

I am currently trying out an Altiverb/EQ combination for making EVO wider and more airy but if you have any tips it would still be much appreciated.
Any way we can hear some of your work on the film score you refer to?
 

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You should have heard the inner bargaining going on in my brain, what with the triple whammy of having bought Evo 2 six months or so ago, then having missed out on the "secret" mural offering in January....followed by placing Olafur Arnalds on my wish list, and receiving the discount code. Then, on hearing the snippits of the release of EVO 3, about turn, abandoning the Arnalds instrument, and trying to hard sell the bundle to myself. The final tragic resolve was settled by taking staring at the South African Rand exchange rate in both eyes, (R22 to 1GBP). The sum of all my ambitions on the trash heap. Finally only took the EVO 3 which I am thrilled with and have been emmersed in since the download completed on Sunday. SPITFIRE, how about student discount for us mere souls resident in third world squalor? (Seriously!!!!). So yes, I now own and love evo 2 and 3. Would wish for Olafurs evo, plus mural evo if I ever have a chance at it again.
 

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Just pulled the trigger on the bundle with the owning Mural Evo discount. Awaiting the download codes. :)
 

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Hey, so glad to have you commenting here, Christian ! Tips and advices, that's what we're here for :)

Simon : Good days is ma fav', would like to hear more of it, like 10 mn while I'm writing. Delicate and balanced...

Erik
 

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I think the key to my argument is bedding your dry signals into the wet. I can't tell you how wrong I think you are regarding the "red herring" argument. It had us all in giggles. If that was the case why would people queue to record scores at Air studios... Whilst their coffee is nice, and their staff loveable, their mic cupboards gorgeous, and that Neve a bit tasty the room may have something to do with it. I am meeting so many people doing cribs and the phrases "its got to be fun" and "the easier the better" are becoming leitmotifs of our trade. But as I said above, it's easy to finesse a single oboe in position, a 60 piece string band, by all means go dry, but I'm going to get to the pub quicker than you procreative (and possibly win the pitch).... Sorry, I'm getting close to that thing that happened where the rest of the team banned me from here for a while so I'll shut up... Evo 3 is awesome, anyone tried it yet and want to share some work?

Christian I think you misunderstood my point. Firstly I do love the Air sound, but secondly my "red herring" comment is based around stacking sounds with baked in ambience with regard to imitating an orchestra.

No doubt Air is a very great space, but I would imagine many of the orchestras are recorded mostly as a whole using the usual Mic setups. However surely the Gallery, Surround, Far Mics or whatever you call them pick up the ensemble playing? And surely that is why people choose Air to get that acoustic ambience and the cross-blending of ensembles into that space?

A baked in sound equals instant results (and its what I use), but I was just thinking aloud as a result of what you said you did when adding EVO or other drier libraries. It comes down to what works vs what is realistic.

I suppose its more theoretical than anything, but don't take it as a critique, just an observation.

PS Its not stopped me buying many of your excellent titles!
 

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Could I be so bold as to comment on this, and maybe I'll do a quick tip to back it up in the future.

Many many films are recorded in different rooms, vastly different rooms, I know of blockbusters that have recorded at Air Studios and Abbey Road simultaneously and you would never know. Often you're also hearing soloists recorded in the same room as the composer writes that the director has fallen in love with and has made stick. You don't hear it, save the odd tell tail fan whir. So for me it's about balance, positioning and reverb.... loads of it.

Evo3 has our own IR which really does work very nicely, so before investing I would say try that first. My theory is put the dry instrument in the 'room' first then, soak both this signal and the wetter one (ie something sampled or recorded in the hall at Air) with the same amount of the same reverb.

I have found that overdubbing or what I call underdubbing (ie recording say an ethnic flute before the sessions) a wind instrument in my completely arid environment is relatively easy to place in the room. The key is that fine balance of room, relative volume and mutual reverb love. I find that soloists are easier to work on, sections and sampled sections in particular are a tad more difficult to blend. But just a tad.

I think this boils down to what the ear recognises, and strings are our most familiar friends, so IMHO the most difficult to cheat, sample and hack.

So my advice would be to make sure your sampled sections recorded in different rooms aren't playing unique parts. So for Tutankhamun which I just finished today, I used a blend of Olafur, Mural and live. Whatever Olafur's evos were doing I matched in samples and sometimes live. This meant that Olafur 'emerged' out of the wider string section as a legitimate smaller sub section of the strings who were doing weird stuff. Sorry Olafur lovely weird stuff. My ear never goes "no, that sounds like something recorded in Berlin". But the balance is crucial, you don't want Mural to obliterate the wonder and interest of the Berlin efforts, but you also don't want it to suddenly leap out and feel too disparate.

On the subjects of verbs, first try reducing the reverb length on the one we have provided on the front panel (we've worked hard at this one and its very good) and use this as the "room" emulation then balance with your bigger samples and add your fave splosh across the two.

I haven't had time to try in anger yet but a friend demo'd me TVerb by Eventide and it literally blew my mind. At last something that differentiates between verb and room effect (even though they've called it Verb). Other than that I have to admit that I hate convolutions, for me you're running the same sample again and again and again and I swear I can hear verb machine gunning like you used to get with samples without round robins. My vote goes with anything that uses the TC VSS33 alg' if you can find an old Powercore and make it work, grab it! Or pick up an old TC6000 or a new one if you're rich. Virtually though I haven't heard anything beat the random hall on the native Lex pack... but if you're on a budget, our internal IR and Valhalla will get you across the line.

Sorry for indulgent waffle.

CH.
Excellent waffle Christian - would love to see a video done on this! The technical side of it, but then writing with it.
 
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Sorry procreative, totally missed your point! I only use Tree and I believe Andy Blaney relies mainly on the Outriggers.

Ryan, duly noted, will maybe grab some of my Tutankhamun cues to demonstrate...
 
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Dont forget! You've got just 24hrs to get your hands on the Special Edition of the new Evolutions Bundle including Symphonic Evolutions!

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Looking forward to trying out these new evo's today.... our slow aussie internet managed to grab them overnight.
I think these are one of the most interesting textures/tools/sample sets to come composers way in a long time.
I recently recorded a quartet for a piece with evolutions very much along the line of the Olafur Arnald's line (I used to call that kind of writing "composing with waves" - sounds slowly coming/going etc) - and its amazing how close the feeling was between the mockups and the final recorded strings - even though I used slightly different evolutions / changes to the playing compared to the way they are orchestrated in EVO.

And as for EVO 3 - oh I have been waiting for something like this for a very very long time.

Brendan.
 

JT3_Jon

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Man I wish I could afford this as it simply looks AMAZING! Its been added to my "wish list" for sure!
 
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