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Sooo many reverbs but which one would you prefer for orchestral use?

dgburns

splunge
@axb312 - the ones I make. :)

For orchestral use, as a general verb, I keep the decay under 2.5 sec, but that could be longer if the music is slow and legato. Try the different altos to see what you prefer. Try the presets first, there are a lot of good starting points. The Den ones in particular.

Make your own presets, it's easy
 

averystemmler

Active Member
I've heard that, as very general rule, 1.8 seconds is an "ideal" hall's RT60 for authentic orchestral music in general. As always, variables variables variables, etc etc etc, but it can be a good starting point.

I think that's what Boston's Symphony Hall is designed to be at full capacity? But don't quote me on that.
 

Vin

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What are your favourite Valhalla Room orchestral presets guys?
Not using it anymore, but you can try this one, got a lot mileage out of it:

<ValhallaRoom pluginVersion="1.1.1" presetName="Boston Hall Custom" mix="1" predelay="0.05000000074505806" decay="0.020020019263029099" HighCut="0.39664429426193237" earlyLateMix="0.89899998903274536" lateSize="0.40999999642372131" lateCross="1" lateModRate="0.090909093618392944" lateModDepth="0.15000000596046448" RTBassMultiply="0.36666667461395264" RTXover="0.019191918894648552" RTHighMultiply="0.44444447755813599" RTHighXover="0.23825503885746002" earlySize="0.029029028490185738" earlyCross="0.10000000149011612" earlyModRate="0.090909093618392944" earlyModDepth="0" earlySend="0" diffusion="0.56000000238418579" type="0.083333335816860199"/>
 
I have a hardware Bricasti and Seventh Heaven, and while they are close, the Bricasti hardware most definitely sounds more alive and animated than Seventh Heaven. However, I recently got Exponential Audio's Symphony 3D reverb and I've decided to use that instead of the Bricasti on a score I'll be delivering next week. I found that with Symphony it was very easy to virtually match my favorite Bricasti preset, which is their Mechanics Hall. The Symphony can sound alive and vibrant and adds a lot of dimension to the music, just like the Bricasti. And now I don't have to always do a real-time bounce, and I have surround.
 

axb312

Senior Member
Not using it anymore, but you can try this one, got a lot mileage out of it:

<ValhallaRoom pluginVersion="1.1.1" presetName="Boston Hall Custom" mix="1" predelay="0.05000000074505806" decay="0.020020019263029099" HighCut="0.39664429426193237" earlyLateMix="0.89899998903274536" lateSize="0.40999999642372131" lateCross="1" lateModRate="0.090909093618392944" lateModDepth="0.15000000596046448" RTBassMultiply="0.36666667461395264" RTXover="0.019191918894648552" RTHighMultiply="0.44444447755813599" RTHighXover="0.23825503885746002" earlySize="0.029029028490185738" earlyCross="0.10000000149011612" earlyModRate="0.090909093618392944" earlyModDepth="0" earlySend="0" diffusion="0.56000000238418579" type="0.083333335816860199"/>
Thank you!
 
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Hey Jay! Liked your CD! They do have an Audio Unit's version...oh, I stand corrected. The standard Symphony does AU, but the 3D doesn't. Really odd...
 

Jack Weaver

Senior Member
No Audio Unit? Odd in this day and age. The basic one is however.
The 3D version supports Atmos and Auro. Do you really need these for your work? The basic Symphony supports the usual surround formats. Those seem to work for a lot of us plebes.

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(Uhh.... like garylionelli said 2 minutes before me.)
 

kmaster

Now in LA: let's get coffee!
(the first Star Wars score was extremely dry, very present, very wide, loads of mid, gets kinda crunchy. Sounds amazing, but people would think you were mad if you turned in a mix like that today. It was recorded at Anvil Studios in the UK which closed not many years afterwards. In a way A New Hope feels like a final chapter in that dry 40s-70s movie sound tradition, a boat load of excitable ER. All those lush tails seemed to start very soon afterwards. Empire is a more conventional sounding score to modern ears)
it is precisely for this reason that SWIV is my favorite of the scores - not the most pristine recording, but definitely the most "beautiful" to my ears. (It doesn't hurt that JW was still figuring out a few things about the "Star Wars Sound" and was, in some ways, much more experimental with his music than he would be again)
 

maxime77

Active Member
I was just listening to the Star Wars IV soundtrack, and indeed it is very dry... but in a good way. You can very much visualise the orchestra sitting in front of you. I really like it.
 

shawnsingh

Active Member
Hi all, I think it would be helpful to add more information about the way you are using the reverbs. Because the mic positions and the sound of the libraries/recordings you use - will of course affect the kind of reverb you might want in addition.

For example, Hollywood orchestra gold has strong (but lovely) early reflections, so I found that a convolution reverb without a strong early reflection component worked well for my taste. I ended up using EWQL Spaces SF hall FR, and set predelay to zero.

OT Libraries, I found the tree-only mic position was wet enough for my taste already, but occasionally Valhalla room algorithmic reverb, with modulation off, sounds pretty natural to my ears. And if I wanted it to get very rich and thick reverb, Valhalla room, vintage verb and fabfilter pro R were all great to me.

Extremely dry libraries like VSL, I've kinda given up on mixing them to have great early reflections
but at least I had found that using delay for panning (ranging from 0.1 - 5 millisecond delay between L and R channels) helped give dry libraries a more spacious panned sound before putting them through a convolution reverb. I think it worked better to delay-pan each instrument uniquely, but only the dry signal.
 
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constaneum

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OT libraries. I think they might be on the same wetness as Cinematic Studio series or Cinematic Studio drier ?
 

Brian Nowak

Active Member
Gotta say - this thread and another forum's thread on reverb has me participating in the 21-day demo of Nimbus. It might unseat VROOM as my go-to reverb. I'm happy for the 21-day trial, though. I can compare and contrast for a while and come to a good decision.
 
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