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Something wet with the Bernard Herrmann library

Discussion in 'Member's Compositions' started by Ben E, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. Ben E

    Ben E Senior Member

    Jul 5, 2017
    I still haven’t used the Spitfire Herrmann library for what it’s supposed to be used for. Instead I used the orchestral “chords” patches (which are beautiful) and the harps/celeste to help create this lush Busby Berkeley/Esther Williams kind of thing for fun. Most everything else is Spitfire as well (except the voices.) The Herrmann stuff mixes well with it.

    http://beneshbach.com/resources/music/music/Great Suburban Barbecue_L.mp3
  2. ctsai89

    ctsai89 Poem of Ecstasy

    Oct 4, 2016
    beautiful! dreamy! Realistic. This is the kind of stuff I don't hear at all these days... Nostalgia! I hope you have a soundcloud linke for me to follow! can't miss any of your releases in the future.
  3. Ned Bouhalassa

    Ned Bouhalassa Senior Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    Really nailed it. Thanks for sharing!
  4. rottoy

    rottoy Gentleman Scholar

    May 12, 2013
  5. gregh

    gregh Senior Member

    Feb 1, 2015
    incredibly well done, definite poolside visions, though maybe more Hail Caesar! and Scarlett Johansson :)
    Ben E and Ned Bouhalassa like this.
  6. artomatic

    artomatic I Compose With My Ears

    Aug 27, 2016
    I hate it... because now I want to buy BHCT! I truly love this! It made me smile. Would love to hear some more. Fantastic job. Thanks for sharing!
  7. madfloyd

    madfloyd Senior Member

    Jun 27, 2017
  8. MaxOctane

    MaxOctane Senior Member

    Mar 23, 2017
    Love it. Can you share more about the orchestration, libs+patches used, etc?
    ctsai89 likes this.
  9. madfloyd

    madfloyd Senior Member

    Jun 27, 2017
    I would be interested in this too!
  10. OP
    Ben E

    Ben E Senior Member

    Jul 5, 2017
    Thank you guys for listening!

    Woods: The flutes are all Berlin - longs, legatos, trills. For the rest I used Albion 1 (the legacy thing) this way: One track called “Woods Short” where I load both the high and low short woodwinds into the same instance of Kontakt, and another track where I do the same with “Woods Long.” The Albion 1 woodwinds are so beautiful for this — less “quacky” than Albion One.

    Brass: SSB horns a2 legato, a2 long, bones a2 legato, Albion 1 (not ONE) brass mid short and Albion One (not 1) brass low long. The brass patches in these Albions have to be combined because one of them (I can’t remember which) is recorded in octaves but not consistently across the whole brass range.

    Strings: The beautiful Albion One Strings Octave Legato (one of my favorites), SSS Ensemble trems, flautando (another favorite), minor and major 2nd trills, high runs. Then sections V1, V2, VA and VC legato. Then sections V1, V2, and VC pizzicato. Harp is both the regular Spitfire Harp and the BHCT Harp/Vibraphone, heavy on the regular harp, BHCT harp for when the harp is playing a melody.

    Percussion: The Spitfire Joby Burgess thing. Vibes, Glock, Timp. The cymbals are Albion 1 — which I’ve always found easier to work with than the cymbals in Spitfire Percussion.

    Bernard Herrmann: Chords Minor, Chords Other and TWO tracks of Chords Major. The reason for two tracks: the chord patches in BHCT swell. If you don’t want them to swell you must use expression automation to reduce the volume inversely to the volume of the recorded swell. If you have two major chords in succession this won’t work on a single track for obvious reasons, so two tracks solves everything. In wet libraries this sort of thing doesn’t work so nice because as you use expression to compete with a wet swell the instruments stay the same volume but the reverb swells bigger. The BHCT is relatively dry so you can do this without too much consequence.

    Also, the BHCT chords patches are designed so that when the modwheel is down the chords “shimmer” — woods are trilling, strings tremming or trilling etc. It’s gorgeous. As the modwheel comes up the orchestra plays straight. Almost all of this piece was recorded in modwheel down mode. Fiddling with these chord patches is what inspired the piece, both compositionally and its orchestration.

    Choir: The choir is a combination of 8Dio Boys Choir and Omnisphere Choir Full Swell Ohs. I really wish that someone made a choir library that had legato patches of gently sung, nostalgic sounding “ahs” etc. non-operatic…much like what I had to hobble together here. No latin “Domine Klaatu Barada Nikto!” nonsense. If anyone knows of such a library please advise! (Think old Disney or Lassie movies.)

    There’s also a couple tracks of Omnisphere “Granular Humming” to fill out the sound in some places.

    59 tracks all together, but some with only single notes.

    Is this what you meant?
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  11. C-Wave

    C-Wave Senior Member

    Feb 27, 2016
    +1 , what is the choir?
    Edit : Oops! You beat me to it.. :)
  12. MaxOctane

    MaxOctane Senior Member

    Mar 23, 2017
    Damn that was an awesome writeup. Thank you!!

    And LOL at "Domine Klaatu Barada Nikto"
  13. synthpunk

    synthpunk Yo Gabba Gabba

    Mar 3, 2015
    Hell's Kitchen/Orlando
    very nice. :2thumbs:
    If your ever in NYC or Orlando hit me up. I would love to take a arranging class with you.
  14. madfloyd

    madfloyd Senior Member

    Jun 27, 2017
    Thanks for the detailed writeup. Wow, you know your way around sample libraries and how to use them!

    Albion 1 vs Albion One. If that isn't a great way for Spitfire to confuse people.... lol
  15. dannymc

    dannymc Senior Member

    Jan 10, 2015
    wow this is amazing stuff. thanks for posting :thumbsup:

  16. thov72

    thov72 Senior Membr

    Dec 28, 2014
    maybe try realitone the ladies stacked as a small choir for the non vib aaah legato
    forgot to mention : I love your work! sounds so real.
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  17. Darren Durann

    Darren Durann Senior Member

    Aug 10, 2017
    Really like! I'm a total sucker for this kind of stuff.
  18. Orchestrata

    Orchestrata Senior Member

    Dec 19, 2015
    Absolutely gorgeous, totally refreshing. Bravo!
  19. Architekton

    Architekton Senior Member

    Jan 18, 2017
    Excellent work, I am impressed!
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    Ben E

    Ben E Senior Member

    Jul 5, 2017
    Hmm. I didn't think of that. I've only ever used Realivox for solo stuff. But I just stacked them and it sounds pretty good! Thank you for this!
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