Slow, delicate String tremolos. Any advice?

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  1. manuhz

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    Hi guys, looking around to find a String library wich can achieve slow and delicate sounding tremolos. This is something I can´t find actually in any library on the market.

    Correct me please if I'm wrong, but it seems that developers understand "tremolo" as a bunch of spiccato and totally detached notes to play well together on energic or quick action passages. Nothing wrong here, but what I am missing is a sample set wich can give me some control over notes that are connected to each other to play convincing slow tremolos.

    Would be very grateful for some advice...
     
  2. Saxer

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    OT Ark2 has fast and slow tremolo. Time Macro has 'very' slow tremolo too.
     
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    manuhz, consider this a correction...:sneaky:.
    No developer considers trem the way you describe it because you are mistaken. Just google it and look at some vids, far easier than me explaining it. Tremelo refers to the bow action in the main.
     
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    @Saxer

    Thanks for the advice. I own OT Ark2 and yes, they’re slower than regular, but it’s not delicate enough for that what I’m trying to achieve, something like that, so beautiful played and well defined:


    @rottoy

    Many thanks as well! Going to take a closer look.
     
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    No offense, corrections are welcome as well! Maybe I’m totally wrong about what can described as tremolo or not.

    According to that what I believe, how would you describe Desplat’s playing technique used on the posted theme?
     
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    Sorry, writing from my phone here...

    Another try, Les Minelli from Alexandre Desplat, OST from Toni:
     
  9. Saxer

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    This are repeated 16th... timed tremolos. Would't call it tremolos. Maybe Fluid Shorts from Performance-Samples? But I don't know if they have the correct lengths... depends on the tempo.
     
  10. Saxer

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    CSS has measured tremolos... but rather short too
     
  11. brenneisen

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    if you really want to call it "tremolo" call it "measured tremolo"

    but I think those as "on the string short notes" (staccato)
     
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    The measured tremolo patch from CSS works pretty well, but in another context. Compared to, notes are shorter with a more punchier attack.
     
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    Not sure about the right name for that playing technique, but I don’t hear any “detached” Staccatos. These notes are connected on each bow direction.
     
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    I was gonna make a "slow tremolos are just called quarter notes" joke, but... yeah. It's really rebowing short notes.
     
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    I can't get your example to play, but fast measured tremolo is played more or less the same way as the unmeasured tremolo, it's just done in time. What you are probably wanting is a sound that is even more near the tip of the bow than regular tremolo and played softly. Look for measured tremolo in your string libraries (some have it) or 16th note repetitions (though these often lack lower dynamic layers). You might even be able to get spiccato or staccato patches to do it played at a low velocities to trigger the lowest dynamic layer. You might also try con sord short patches and some of the other shorts to see if you can get close to the sound.
     
  16. erica-grace

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    I really don't think that's what developers think of when they have the players record tremolos.

    SFA's UIST has many of these.
     
  17. Sears Poncho

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    I can't get the Desplat video to play.

    "Measured Tremolo" is a bit of an oxymoron.

    Tremolo is "on the string" so it's not spiccato or staccato or anything. It's just a rapid back and forth, at the tip of the bow if it's soft and more in the middle if it's louder. A "measured tremolo" would be 32nd notes basically, or 64th notes if one wants to get all nerdy. But tremolo isn't a "stroke", it isn't detache or marcato or anything like that. It's tremolo. It means "put bow near tip and do shaky thing".

    When playing tremolo, violinists sometimes put their bow hand on their right leg. It's to rest. In a 4 hour Wagner opera, violinists will do it a lot. Why I mention that is it shows that it's not really "controlled" like other bow strokes. A player just does "shaky thing" and since everybody does shaky thing at different timing, it's "tremolo".
     
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    Your best bet might be just using time-machine patches of the terms you can find in SF & OT, and slow them down. I'm still waiting for a dedicated trem & flutter (2 notes) library.
     
  19. Bill the Lesser

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    Hard to believe nobody has mentioned Albion 5 Tundra!

    In the "Individual Patches" section there are about 16+ long/short patches divided into high and low sections. Every one of them is subtly breathtaking in its own special way with varying degrees of tremelo from the slightest pulsing to quite pronounced. Many those are individually loaded articulations that don't appear in main orchestral keyswitch panels, so you have to dig a bit to find them.

    "Col Legno Tratto" is the subtlest of the subtle. Be warned these are all very quiet indeed with built in mechanical bow sounds etc most noticeable on the close mics that actually add an amazing presence to the ensembles. Can post a few chords later in anybody is interested.
     
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    Hard to believe nobody has mentioned Albion 5 Tundra!

    In the "Individual Patches" section there are about 16+ long/short patches divided into high and low sections. Every one of them is subtly breathtaking in its own special way with varying degrees of tremelo from the slightest pulsing to quite pronounced. Many those are individually loaded articulations that don't appear in main orchestral keyswitch panels, so you have to dig a bit to find them.

    "Col Legno Tratto" is the subtlest of the subtle. Be warned these are all very quiet indeed with built in mechanical bow sounds etc most noticeable on the close mics that actually add an amazing presence to the ensembles. Can post a few chords later in anybody is interested.

    PS for an fine example of subtle tremelo, you must listen to Sherief Abraham's "Stars and Moon" piece on another thread here.
    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/stars-moon-orchestral.78037/
     
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