I hope you continue making these wonderful videos.

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I really appreciate that Paul, thank you. It’s the classical way

I hope you continue making these wonderful videos.

Nice video indeed.

I did a bit of Roman numeral analysis when taking some piano classes years ago. What other harmonic analysis types are there?

Also, how does one learn how to use these for composing? Usually I play stuff on the piano and when it sounds good I can analyze it and can somewhat understand why it works but I cannot go the other way around. When looking at these analysis videos I imagine Williams knows beforehand what chord he has to go or which key he has to modulate to so that everything works.

I did a bit of Roman numeral analysis when taking some piano classes years ago. What other harmonic analysis types are there?

Also, how does one learn how to use these for composing? Usually I play stuff on the piano and when it sounds good I can analyze it and can somewhat understand why it works but I cannot go the other way around. When looking at these analysis videos I imagine Williams knows beforehand what chord he has to go or which key he has to modulate to so that everything works.

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Lovely video!

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Hi! Thank you. I only really know of 2 ways: analyzing using root quality chord symbols (C major), and Roman numerals. That's how I was taught in classical theory classes. In the case of composing, I would assume it typically goes how you'd describe it. Our inner ear leads us to chord progressions and melodies, and then we can go back later and analyze what we did. It's more rare to use theory solely to compose music.Nice video indeed.

I did a bit of Roman numeral analysis when taking some piano classes years ago. What other harmonic analysis types are there?

Also, how does one learn how to use these for composing? Usually I play stuff on the piano and when it sounds good I can analyze it and can somewhat understand why it works but I cannot go the other way around. When looking at these analysis videos I imagine Williams knows beforehand what chord he has to go or which key he has to modulate to so that everything works.

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Thanks so much Simon!Lovely video!

Well there's Neo-Reimannian, for instance. Roman Numeral analysis kind of stops working when you get to, say, Wagner's high romanticism, and the kinds of shimmery hollywood chords that it leads to that are more about relational effects the pure tonal functionality.I did a bit of Roman numeral analysis when taking some piano classes years ago. What other harmonic analysis types are there?

Can recommend some excellent books on this if you're interested. (Or pick up Mike Verta's Jerry Goldsmith masterclass).

UPDATE - actually, I mean the Horner masterclass. But the Goldsmitg one probably has similar themes.

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Schenkerian analysis and its derivatives (e.g. Salzer's linear analysis) are also extremely useful as they integrate contrapuntal analysis with harmonic analysis and teach people to hear ornamentation beyond non-harmonic tones. In my opinion, they are at least as useful as Neo-Riemannian analysis for Wagnerian "romantic harmony" and beyond.

And (accessible) references on the later?

Schenkerian analysis and its derivatives (e.g. Salzer's linear analysis) are also extremely useful as they integrate contrapuntal analysis with harmonic analysis and teach people to hear ornamentation beyond non-harmonic tones. In my opinion, they are at least as useful as Neo-Riemannian analysis for Wagnerian "romantic harmony" and beyond.

Edit: looks like PDFs of it are up on Scribd as well: Vol. 1 and Vol. 2

Thanks! I've actually though about pickup up that book a number of times, but didn't really have a sense of what it's about. Definitely going on my wish list.

Edit: looks like PDFs of it are up on Scribd as well: Vol. 1 and Vol. 2

And at risk of going even more off topic, there's interesting resonances with major shift in the foundations of mathematics itself in the second half of the 20th century. Moving from stable point based set theory to relation-based category theory.

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I appreciate you watching, thank you!Chris, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Very practical approach out of musical theory. I really enjoyed this video.

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Super interesting to hear about these other forms of analysis. Thanks for sharing!