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Sample Modeling Strings playing Gladiator by Hans Zimmer - 3rd tutorial is out!!!

leogardini

Senior Member
I am happy to announce the release of the first episode "Taking Your Strings to the Next Level."

Taking Your Strings to the Next Level is a series of short videos where I will share how to improve your string mockups using the new Sample Modeling Solo & Ensemble strings.
I carefully chose some of the most difficult pieces of music to mockup and put them into four episodes. The first one playing the Beethoven's 5th Symphony can be seen here.


If you want to read the full article click on the following link of Gardini School Blog.


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The second episode is up and running now. This time I've made a mockup of Mozart's Symphony no.40.


If you want to read the full article click on the following link of Gardini School Blog.

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This is the mockup of a cue from Gladiator score by Hans Zimmer.
Patricide was a big challenge because of the many different characteristics of the strings.
70% to 80% of the strings are Sample Modeling.
The new tutorial about this mockup is coming soon.


Let me know your impressions!

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The 3rd episode of the series is finally out!

This time let's see how we can achieve the minimum and the maximum of drama with virtual strings.
The chosen piece, as above, is the Gladiator score by Hans Zimmer.


To read and watch the full article click on the following link.

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Montisquirrel

Active Member
Loved the beginning, got really exited hearing that Beethoven Demo, but I stopped after you said that this tutorial is about Sample Modelling Strings, which I dont have (which I would like to have, but can't afford right now). Anyway, I guess people with that software can learn a lot, because that 5th Symphonie Mockup really sounds very very good.
 

axb312

Senior Member
Loved the beginning, got really exited hearing that Beethoven Demo, but I stopped after you said that this tutorial is about Sample Modelling Strings, which I dont have (which I would like to have, but can't afford right now). Anyway, I guess people with that software can learn a lot, because that 5th Symphonie Mockup really sounds very very good.
Thanks for the heads up.
 

Jonathan Moray

Professional Procrastinator
This sounds really good. The strings have nice expression and are obviously very versatile. I've always found that you have to sacrifice sound for versatility with a lot of these types of libraries. But I don't really see that being the case here.

This is also the first I hear from the Cello and Basses in isolation and they sound good as well.

I guess the Brass is SM Brass? At least it sounds like it.
I can't figure what Woodwinds your using? Audio Modeling?
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Doesn't necessarily take a video; just conscientiously follow the initials: RTFM!
 

Gerbil

Active Member
Lots of really good advice re programming SM libraries.

This is my dilemma, and it's not aimed specifically at your video - I've struggled with this problem many times before after hours of work with SM libraries: I'd never choose to listen to this as a finished piece for pleasure.

As a demo to play to someone else then yes, it's very good. But using the notation software of your choice with Noteperformer will yield results not a million miles away from this and be much, much quicker to achieve, assuming the composer reads notation. Sure, the expression wont be as compelling but it is enough to give a decent impression so why bother with all the programming? Either it sounds like the finished product or just use noteperformer.
 
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leogardini

leogardini

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This sounds really good. The strings have nice expression and are obviously very versatile. I've always found that you have to sacrifice sound for versatility with a lot of these types of libraries. But I don't really see that being the case here.

This is also the first I hear from the Cello and Basses in isolation and they sound good as well.

I guess the Brass is SM Brass? At least it sounds like it.
I can't figure what Woodwinds your using? Audio Modeling?
It is indeed a versatile library with a very good sound. The other sections are Infinite Series.
 
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leogardini

leogardini

Senior Member
Very good!!!
How do you compere to other string libraries ?
I don't think there is any other library that can "perform" the 5th symphony like Sample Modeling.
Every other sample library has its all fingerprint no matter how you customize it. I am amazed by how you can shape and change the expression of Sample Modeling. In the end, this is your sound on the library and not the library in your sound.
 
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leogardini

leogardini

Senior Member
Lots of really good advice re programming SM libraries.

This is my dilemma, and it's not aimed specifically at your video - I've struggled with this problem many times before after hours of work with SM libraries: I'd never choose to listen to this as a finished piece for pleasure.

As a demo to play to someone else then yes, it's very good. But using the notation software of your choice with Noteperformer will yield results not a million miles away from this and be much, much quicker to achieve, assuming the composer reads notation. Sure, the expression wont be as compelling but it is enough to give a decent impression so why bother with all the programming? Either it sounds like the finished product or just use noteperformer.
These are all different approaches that provide us different results. I've never used any notation software to program samples but I've seen some good results. However, in my opinion, if you what to achieve the best results you have to use the notation software to what it has been designed for.
 
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leogardini

leogardini

Senior Member
I just didn’t like the sound of those strings, especially the vibrato.
I can take the blame. This library is so versatile that if anything goes wrong the problem is in the usage and not in the instrument (at least in the majority of cases). However, I don't think you would dislike it if you didn't know it was midi.
 

AlexanderSchiborr

Senior Member
Hej Leandro,

cool video and great that you are explaining techniques for the next level of string realism. But I am not quite stoked about the result with that mockup...:( unfortunately because I think you put quite some work in there. And it is indeed a hard piece but I doubt that its only possible with sample modeling. Actually I don´t think the sound of that strings in that context is doing that composition a favor..they simply sound super fake .I mean, thats not aimed at you, but in that regards I am on Jays side with that. Especially those dadada dahhh..left to be desired...The fluidity of the lines is great, no doubt about that, but the sonic apperance is total fake, I am sorry. Just my opinion of course.

I mean..thats a quick take done with other libraries and what I miss on the sm in particular is that aggressivness and ommpf. You know? When the cellos with DB and Violas build that melange of "unity". I am not sure if you could tweak your strings quite a bit? Also..I mean that is matter of taste but I find the entrance somehow a way too slow. But sure..there are tons of different interpretations out there, so that it is surely up to taste. And I am 100 percent sure that with enough work you could mockup that piece with other libraries too which I believe would in the end sound better..from a "macro" perspective speaking.

 
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Ashermusic

Senior Member
I can take the blame. This library is so versatile that if anything goes wrong the problem is in the usage and not in the instrument (at least in the majority of cases). However, I don't think you would dislike it if you didn't know it was midi.
No, I would dislike it if it was real also, but despite your prodigious skill set, it would not fool anyone who has experience with real strings.
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
No, I would dislike it if it was real also, but despite your prodigious skill set, it would not fool anyone who has experience with real strings.
Jay just said what was on my mind.

No disrespect meant, it's not a bad video at all imo. I didn't have a problem with it before the proclamations of it sounding authentic came up.

Not here. Too many ears with too many miles.
 
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