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AlexanderSchiborr
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Thanks, wow the expression is great, definitely interesting..but what is that with that huge reverb there going on? :D
Bill the Lesser
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That video takes music into the uncanny valley. Google it. I personally found it disturbing. The track by itself is impressive, but the concept of overwriting a real performance is somehow creepy. IMHO.
Hanu_H
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I don't find it creepy but I understand that it fools the ear better when you see someone actually playing the instruments. So I actually listened this without watching the video.
-Hannes
Lee Blaske
Senior Member
That's pretty common these days. Lots of promotional videos for VIs have sounds of the VIs over videos of live players. I actually think it leads to making the brain think it's more real. Best to just listen, and not watch.
Lee Blaske
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Just did a careful listen of the video demo with headphones. I own all the current AudioModeling strings, so I'm pretty familiar with what they've done so far. I don't think I can make any judgements from the sound of this video. The reverb might be in the ballpark for the environment we're seeing, but it's a really dense and short reverb on the demo. If I were going to do a demo of the current AudioModeling strings, that's EXACTLY the kind of reverb I'd put on them, in sufficient quantity, to mask what I find lacking in modeled instruments. They just don't have the complexity, spaciousness and depth of the real thing. Lots of reverb will hide that.
But what I DO really love about AudioModeling and SampleModeling instruments is how easy they are to play expressively, and in a connected manner. You can really PLAY them without tons of key switching, and they feel so much more immediate under your fingers. A LOT less work to cobble a part together. I'm interested to hear what these new instruments sound like before the verb is piled on. I really do think that modeled instruments are the future. We just need some really fancy models.
But what I DO really love about AudioModeling and SampleModeling instruments is how easy they are to play expressively, and in a connected manner. You can really PLAY them without tons of key switching, and they feel so much more immediate under your fingers. A LOT less work to cobble a part together. I'm interested to hear what these new instruments sound like before the verb is piled on. I really do think that modeled instruments are the future. We just need some really fancy models.
It's remarkable.
Having said that, the tone is too dark in the demo. The playability of the Solo Violin is outstanding but even so, the definition of the rosin, the attack on those very quick repeating notes is missing. It may be all selectable to a degree in the interface, after all SM are know for giving you access to so many of these parameters and then leaving it up to you to put it all together to make it shine.
For me the real disappointment though is not in the solo violin, but rather in the accompanying strings around the 1 minute mark and beyond: those repeated notes heavily hint to the limitations of the instruments, like so often with repeated notes on strings. Same thing when they start hitting the very fast repeated notes around 1:14.
Still, remarkable.
Having said that, the tone is too dark in the demo. The playability of the Solo Violin is outstanding but even so, the definition of the rosin, the attack on those very quick repeating notes is missing. It may be all selectable to a degree in the interface, after all SM are know for giving you access to so many of these parameters and then leaving it up to you to put it all together to make it shine.
For me the real disappointment though is not in the solo violin, but rather in the accompanying strings around the 1 minute mark and beyond: those repeated notes heavily hint to the limitations of the instruments, like so often with repeated notes on strings. Same thing when they start hitting the very fast repeated notes around 1:14.
Still, remarkable.
TGV
Senior Member
Not a fan of the sound either. Their brass sounds mightily impressive, but this just feels flatter. The dynamics are off, the attacks on the celli are weak, the solo is one long, muffled slur. The fact that that solo can be played at that speed is admirable, but it is indeed in the uncanny valley.
I have to say, i'm not hearing 'realism' to any degree here. It's as if they've all forgotten to rosin their bows for a month, and then inexplicably decided to play everything sul tasto (over the fingerboard). The players in the video are all playing period instruments, which sound very different to modern ones. Are they modelling period instruments? Confused I am!
Listening to the original performance tells you all need to know.
Listening to the original performance tells you all need to know.
I'm Curious how you'd compare the tone here with your experience of CH solo strings?
Fa
Active Member
Guys, just to be clear, it's actually NOT physical modeling, and has nothing to do with SWAM or AudioModeling at all (they separated careers long time ago). It's actually the Samplemodeling last generation of Kontakt Virtual Instruments: if you are curious about technology, just read the information on the producer web page.
P.S. for detractors, of course they are always welcome to show if they can do it better with their tools and their skills. We all just aim to improvement, and learning.
P.S. for detractors, of course they are always welcome to show if they can do it better with their tools and their skills. We all just aim to improvement, and learning.
