Land of Missing Parts
Grumpy Monkey
@ProfoundSilence --
Did you just join VI Control to spam this thread? Enough, we get it.
Did you just join VI Control to spam this thread? Enough, we get it.
Whatever you say jack, this thread is relevant to me - because I spent 400$ on it and haven't had time at my home computer to play with it much. Are you surprised I'm watching this thread - for demos like alex's? You still haven't answered my question... Are you legitimately bitter that a pre-order option exists? Or would you rather it just rendered 100% useless because you didn't purchase it during pre-order? No reason to throw stones at me over this.@ProfoundSilence --
Did you just join VI Control to spam this thread? Enough, we get it.
I don't think that's what he was saying (@Land of Missing Parts correct me if i'm wrong.) I think we were all just disappointed at the fact that there seemed to be little information from the time the preorder started (yes, I know this is not unique to OT). Had the demos and walkthroughs been available prior, we would have had a week to think it over and make a more informed decision.Are you legitimately bitter that a pre-order option exists? Or would you rather it just rendered 100% useless because you didn't purchase it during pre-order? No reason to throw stones at me over this.
Had the demos and walkthroughs been available prior, we would have had a week to think it over and make a more informed decision.
I phrased that poorly, but I agree. I meant to say, 'had the demos and walkthroughs been made available prior [to when they were (e.g. earlier)]...But there WERE demos AND walkthroughs available before release. Some may not have thought them sufficient but they were there and sufficient for others.
I don't think that's what he was saying (@Land of Missing Parts correct me if i'm wrong.) I think we were all just disappointed at the fact that there seemed to be little information from the time the preorder started (yes, I know this is not unique to OT). Had the demos and walkthroughs been available prior, we would have had a week to think it over and make a more informed decision.
I'm not salty about the preorder, personally. If someone wants to spend 400$ on reputation alone with minimal info, well, it's their money I just wish at the preorder we knew more about the product. (Yes, I'm aware there's still the intro price.)
I personally preordered Time Macro, but at the last minute after all the info was posted. I hate feeling rushed, but I guess that's psychology of sales, right there.
Try not to get too salty and worked up, and have a Merry Christmas!
I just don't get why Orchestral Tools is trying to get customers to buy before they can see reviews and opinions. What do they have to gain by keeping people in the dark?I don't think that's what he was saying (@Land of Missing Parts correct me if i'm wrong.
Not sure who that was directed at, considering my participation has been very sparse and concentrated. 24 hours in a day and it only takes one short poop to check OT/the forums. Spare me the drama, if you're on a forum - you're well versed in "wasting time on the internet". If you don't like their business practice - don't support them.@ProfoundSilence The demos that got released didn't showcase much. I find the user demos far more informative than the two that got released mere days before the preorder. Also, not all of us have the time to sit around on a forum waiting for information to pop up at the last minute like a puppy waiting for it's master at the door. Some of us have jobs that require our attention for more than 4 hours a day.
Whatever though, if it was good enough for you, then bravo. In the future, I hope OT learns from this and that it could certainly have had more money coming in if they had done things properly. In talking to some of the other composers, they are on the same page as myself and aren't happy about how it was handled and thus, we'll either wait or simply not buy it at all. None of these tools are a need. They are simply paints on a pallet. I certainly have no qualms with not buying from a company based on principle because something else will always take it's place. The ball is in their court. heh
I feel like I need some popcorn right now.
I also think it isn't helping them with sales.
And it's baffling to see that some people are so keen on advocating for the best interests of Orchestral Tools and against the interests of themselves and their fellow musicians, and against the VI Control spirit of helping people make the most informed decisions they can. It just seems lose-lose-lose.
Yes, that took quite a bizarre turn.You're sounding like a total shill for OT. This is entertaining to say the least.
Sure, I think we'd all be interested in hearing about that, and sampling being a capitalistic enterprise, the companies will rise or fall on their ability to make money off the samples they sell. Yes, that's a double-edged sword, and if you want to make a decent return on investment, you have to price your library at a point that it will sell to more than just seasoned professionals. That's a quandary to be sure. It may lead to a race to the bottom.Personally, knowing what the library is good at and what I feel like it should be used for - I'm more interested in how people use it to augment the berlin or ark series. Or even glory days...
The string selection makes sense to me (and the strings do sound exceptional), and even the idea of a more intimate sound that nevertheless struggles for and against the epic. I hear this idea in the choir, though I wonder if it succeeds (or rather whether the way certain voices pop out on certain notes will become quickly tiresome). (The shouts though are great.) But the woodwinds seem more an attempt to avoid stepping on Berlin Woodwinds than something that makes sense for the logic of this library (or the Ark collection) and the combinations in BHCT come from a different kind of logic than the one that OT pursued for the other Ark libraries. The best I can say for the woodwinds in terms of the concept is that these combinations do struggle with and against the epic idea of the assimilation of the individual sound into the ensemble mass in a way that would not have been the case had they been done like the ensemble patches in Arks 1 and 2. That idea actually intrigues me, but I'm not sure if I'd find it useful as a compositional resource, and I'm not convinced the library has been recorded and mixed for the library to realize that idea in a way that I can't get by just dialing up a set of woodwinds and having them play unisons or octaves. I mean will I just continue to use other woodwinds? Almost certainly for everything but the overblown articulations, which seem like real gems, and these do seem to go back to the struggle of the epic and the individual within it. (I might also use the short trills, but I'm not sure how they fit with the idea of the library). The power legato—I've yet to hear an example of it that convinces me of its utility, though I can see how this fits with the idea of the library.I think they had a vision - many asked for a "first chairs" type ark. Seems like they combined elements of this idea with the success BHTC had. I see it more like the first chairs situation - but the perspective really comes down to how you plan on using it.
Thank you! This is most helpful. The little things you mentioned about the transitions actually sound pretty cool and something that would be nice. I heard inklings of these in the demos but couldn’t get a full sense of what they might do.well personally, in the short moments I open my daw without feeling too overwhelmed - using the sustain + power sustain 2d cross fade is cool.
one thing that IS nice - is that the power legato transitions are selectable in multis - meaning you could technically take martele and add power legato transitions.
I actually think a combo with one of the longer "shorts" and power sustains will actually be something I use more than the power legato patches. This is especially useful because of the very next problem I have:
the power legato is only 1 dynamic layer.
If I were in your shoes I'd pass. Mainly because the aesthetic alone doesn't seem to be grabbing you - so unless you're heavily invested into teldex and what some unique instruments added to the stage - don't worry about. If you've got berlin strings, or 2 arks - it's still probably worth getting if you think you'll actually use the patches for supplementing.
If you've got ark 3, you probably already know about how incredible the quintet secretly is... layering that on the other ark shorts is already awesome - especially if you blend a little of the cluster in.
Using these articulations(like the overblown and power legatos) add a lot to the other OT products. Having the strings almost niente quiet adds what feels like "more" cc1 range when stacked with a regular string legato. And the horns especially, because the transitions are almost rips, which sounds really cool with the other berlin/ark horns. The piccolo/flute has some cool little grace note type things too in the legato... surprisingly would work for ethnic type stuff.