Orchestral Tools Metropolis Ark 4 - Elite Orchestral Forces

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by Fry777, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. sostenuto

    sostenuto Big NKS Fan !

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    Having Ark1, many posts /comments over time make adding Ark2 very comfortable ….as enhancing /complementing Ark1.
    Ark3 has been less clear …… in terms of how it enhances /rounds out the Ark concept.
    With Ark4 now here, I'm finding it tougher now to go from 2-to-3 vs 2-to-4 ...
    ( Now using: Ark1; BO_Inspire 1 & 2; Time Macro )

    Is this more obvious to those who have 1-2-3 and considering Ark 4 ?
     
  2. jbuhler

    jbuhler Senior Member

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    I don't think the concept of Ark 4 is at all obvious other than being oriented around smaller forces, perhaps a kind of POWER CHAMBER ORCHESTRA with POWER LEGATO. But that's just an inkling and I really have little idea what Ark 4 even is at this point, especially how it will complement/supplement the other Arks. It does look like Ark 4 will be more flexible than Ark 3, and so potentially more useful for me (though many say they use Ark 3 all the time, I haven't found I turn to it often).
     
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  3. ism

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    There’s a sense that Sasha’s demos almost define the OT sound for me, insofar as I’ve got my head around exactly what the OT sound is. Ark is always a bit too epic for me, although Time Macro, which I thing we can reasonably understand as a conceptual descendent of Ark 3, is something I’m really coming to love, although after quite a lot of effort to figure out what it’s even about. This new Ark - no idea what it’s meant to be about. Even less than my during my initial near total puzzlement over Time Macro. But I’m very curious about what the vision behind it is. (Ie, accepting that super aggressive chamber ensembles is a thing now - what the hell kind of is it, actually? Should be fun to find out).

    OT have had some dreadful, if stylish and usually kind of fun, marketing buzzwords lately, that I thing is, like any marketing really , entirely worth mocking at least a little. But none of this diminished the quality of their work.

    A nice thing about spitfire demos is that after a while you can really get a sense of the the library from knowing their approaches. Andy is always hyper virtuosic. While Christian’s demos are virtuosic, not so much in the the complexities of their harmonies and such, but in the way he crafts the sonority (I don’t want to say sound design, because it’s more than that, and it’s a dimension hugely important to libraries like Time Macro and, well, most spitfire libraries). Demos by Oliver and Paul come in at varoius points on the Christian to Andy spectrum. And then there’s Homay’s demos ... and I particularly love her sense of texture, which isn’t quite the same as Christian’s deep sense of sonority, but it has singlehandedly sold on libirares like LCO (though it still took me a long time to get my head aroud exactly what it’s about).

    I’d love to see what kind of demos Sasha and the OT team could come up with for things like the Olafur Evo. But if OT really wants to sell me on Ark2 - which is the one I’m most intrigued by, then, well I suppose it would be too much to hope that the spitfire team might all contibute demos? And an Andy demo for Ark4 would be amazing as well.

    Looking forward to the actual OT demos of this particular OT product also, of course :)
     
  4. MartinH.

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    Oh I'm sure almost no one here thinks it's a great idea, but everyone is talking about it, and it has become an instant meme that gets brought up in other threads as well. "There is no bad PR" or something like that. Undecided people tend to buy the familiar brand...
     
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  5. dzilizzi

    dzilizzi I know nothing

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    8Dio's Wrenchenspeil is still available at $8. It should have all the wrenches you need without going to the garage :D
     
  6. whiskers

    whiskers Perpetual student

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    reserving judgement until walkthroughs :)
     
  7. Brian Nowak

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    Well, the problem with putting contrasting pairs of instruments together, beyond simply forcing me into instrumentation options, is that it also makes it very difficult to stem projects correctly.

    I am mostly writing library music, where these things can become very problematic if a potential client wants just the brass or woodwinds...
     
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  8. Land of Missing Parts

    Land of Missing Parts No Time for Honky-Tonk

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    From their marketing: "All performed and mixed in such a way that the listener perceives them as a single sound."

    See what I'm saying? My understanding is that they want us to see "green" instead of "yellow+blue".
     
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  9. Brian Nowak

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    Well... I'm not certain a prospective client wanting to license my track will feel the same way if I tell them "Oh it's not a mix of bassoon and horn... it's a... BASSOONANDHORN. You see I put them together so it's different!"

    LOL
     
  10. SimonCharlesHanna

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    Yeah I personally am not a fan of forced orchestration. Even the 8ves shit me off quite a bit.
     
  11. Brian Nowak

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    I can get on with octave strings since they are so ubiquitous with powerful string writing. In fact, I only wish they made all the Ark 1 high string articulations were available in octaves, as the string range doesn't go high enough to double octaves on the unison patches.

    It becomes a bit different when you start talking about instruments within different families altogether, though.
     
  12. synergy543

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    Great point Lee! You've articulated exactly how I feel about all of these "designer" libraries.

    The solution? Color-code your socket wrenches. Works great. But for libraries, I'm a bit less sure of an answer.
     
  13. ChazC

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    I wrote a pretty long post about this very thought process yesterday but deleted it as it turned into quite a bit of a rant! Not putting up detailed info from the outset immediately makes me think "what are they trying to hide?".

    We're not talking small change with these libraries and having only a day or so to decide will 9 times out of 10 result in me giving it a miss.

    I fancied Glory Days - not because I would necessarily get my money back for it (it took me two years of owning Swing! before it paid for itself) but it was a "want" library rather than "need". Because of the lack of a walkthrough up front I lost total interest in it & didn't buy it.

    Now, had a walkthrough with a really good example of it being used in context been shown more or less straightaway then I very probably would have dropped for it there and then. I'm in pretty much the same boat with MA4 now.

    I like all my OT stuff but the way they go about marketing new stuff really hacks me off - it's not just OT either, a lot of developers seem to think it's the way to do things. Personally, I disagree but they obviously make their money so who am I to argue?
     
  14. lumcas

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    Thanks for the heads up on the Wrenchenspiel, will just be noodling with it tomorrow. It might help me to decide which new OT libraries will I get during the sale. The Wrenchespiel is an ideal library, works well for my needs... decisions, decisions
     
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  15. dzilizzi

    dzilizzi I know nothing

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    It is much easier to decide to buy an $8 library than a 350 euro one. No matter how good. :)
     
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  16. Naro

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    Please forgive me if I'm off track in logic here; it’s late and I should’ve taken my brain to bed hours ago. I have, as yet, no OT libraries, and are only just now beginning to seriously look into them since becoming aware of the current sale at NI (and now the ARK 4 pre-order special). As such, I’m barely familiar with the OT philosophy, or method to their products' production. But I've read through this thread thus far and have noticed recurrent expressions of curiosity and/or occasional bemusement at the terms “Power Legato,” and “Power Sustains.” At first thought I’m assuming that they refer to something in principle akin to what is commonly referred to in guitar music as power chords.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_chord#Analysis

    “. . . in a power chord, the ratio between the frequencies of the root and fifth are very close to the just interval 3:2. When played through distortion, the intermodulation leads to the production of partials closely related in frequency to the harmonics of the original two notes, producing a more coherent sound. The intermodulation makes the spectrum of the sound expand in both directions, and with enough distortion, a new fundamental frequency component appears an octave lower than the root note of the chord played without distortion, giving a richer, more bassy and more subjectively 'powerful' sound than the undistorted signal. Even when played without distortion, the simple ratios between the harmonics in the notes of a power chord can give a stark and powerful sound, owing to the resultant tone effect."
     
  17. whiskers

    whiskers Perpetual student

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    For those that were curious, part 1 of 2 is here:

     
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  18. whiskers

    whiskers Perpetual student

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    well we found out what Power Legato is - rough and loud sounding transitions. How anticlimactic :)
     
  19. whiskers

    whiskers Perpetual student

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    sounds nice but not seeing anything here that's really grabbing me (personally).

    The choirs are interesting, though.
     
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  20. jbuhler

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    A lot more detail in the strings than the other Ark libraries. I haven't got a good sense of the range of expression in the strings yet and whether it can help fix the issues I have with other Ark string patches or blend usefully with other string libraries.
     

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