Chunks are a pretty unique feature and can be super handy, especially for film scoring. On the flip side, I do think the UI is more complicated to pick up than many other DAWs (just in my experience as somebody who owns and is very adept at 4-5 DAWs). They do offer a 30 day demo which is nice but I found it too much effort to re-learn workflow in DP given their unique approaches.How is this better than Cubase?
Except that in Logic you can grab any part of the handle and move it. DP still only allows for the tiny dot to be selected which remains an excruciating mouse move. Very disappointed by that.The note velocity graphics are now similar to the way Logic represents velocity. This was implemented in DP 10.
Dave, you can grab the note more easily in the graphic editor -- you can grab any portion of the line if you do it in the area where the cc data is (at the bottom). Alternatively, you can change the preference of the graphic editor so you can grab any part of the note in the top part too.DP still only allows for the tiny dot to be selected which remains an excruciating mouse move.
Thanks John, I was referring to the cc area at the bottom actually. I was unable to grab the handles there - only the small square to the left of the handle. Is there a preference to change that? I couldn’t find one.Dave, you can grab the note more easily in the graphic editor -- you can grab any portion of the line if you do it in the area where the cc data is (at the bottom). Alternatively, you can change the preference of the graphic editor so you can grab any part of the note in the top part too.
+1 This caused me no end of problems when first installing. MOTU Tech have suggested just running Audio Units, which I'm doing. Not ideal, esp as I can't access certain features that require VST3s. Oh & Kontakt/BBC SO etc fail VST3 validation. Useless.Sadly, I have to agree with you on this point.
Yep they have people complaining about the locked webinars for over a year and nothing gets done. Imagine having hundreds of hours of educational material and choosing to alienate your customers (current and prospective) after a big release like DP11. It doesn't surprise me that Sound variations aren't even mentioned on the website or manualMotu tech support has not been very helpful to be honest. This is an area motu should improve the product IMHO
Can you turn the problem into a "binary search"? In other words, move half the plug-ins into another folder, and then scan only the first half of your plug-ins. If you still have a crash, halve the number of plug-ins in that folder again, repeating the process until you don't get a crash. Still time-consuming, no doubt, but perhaps not as much so.I personally had more trouble scanning AU’s then VST. Vst3 has been very problematic. Still working through it now. The biggest problem is that DP’s validation engine crashes easily and then does t tell you why. Trying to figure out which of your 1000 plugins is the problem is very difficult unless you literally scan them one at a time, which is very time consuming.
But the best approach is to choose either VST or AU as the primary type, it will run a full scan and probably crash a few times. I had horrible results with AU, it got stuck in some kind of crash loop. Vst however managed to scan through with only only a dozen crashes and restarts. Ten or so plugins didn’t pass but examining those one by one from the plugin manager managed to pass a few more, not quite all.
After that pick and choose a few Vst3 or AU examine on an as needed basis. These should be done only one at a time just in case it crashes so that you’ll know which plugin is the problem. Sometimes also DP seems to keep some internal list of plugins you intended to validate so later on after a crash it will keep trying to validate that list again even though you didn’t ask for it. I finally found the way around that is by hitting the “mark the rest invalid” button which somehow clears that Internal list while canceling the scan. So if you only try to examine one plugin at a time you can figure out what works and what doesn’t. It’s time consuming but using this methodical approach can get to something that works.
I have found quite a few vst3 don’t pass
Motu tech support has not been very helpful to be honest. This is an area motu should improve the product IMHO
So sorry you are in such a mess. Does holding down the Shift key when starting DP help with the crashing?yea, for a while I was doing that this morning, painstakingly slow since I have something like 2000 plugins to get through including all three formats... but nonetheless I can't even do that now because I can't start up DP..it just crashes and no way to get past the scanning crash... no way to tell which plugin is causing the crash, though if I wanted to scan them one at a time, presuming I am able to start over again...I could at least know which one is causing the crash...and remove it form my plugins folder...even though some of them are plugins I actually want to use, but still I could probably get through it that way, but it will take quite a lot of time to do that....
Sorry.Of course but that also disables audiio. When you enable audio DP immediately resumes the same plugin scan and crashes within a few seconds
Hi Dave -- honestly I don't know how you toggle it on / off. I actually would prefer to have it off but was working on some cc data and kept inadvertently selecting notes by their "tails," so I know with v11 you can do it. Don't know how!Thanks John, I was referring to the cc area at the bottom actually. I was unable to grab the handles there - only the small square to the left of the handle. Is there a preference to change that? I couldn’t find one.
Nor I. But I can see why people are happy; it's so much smoother and more nimble than anything for a long time. Loving it. Lots of little fixes and I hear from Matt LaPoint that they put in "lots of optimizations."I have NEVER seen a upgrade release of DP create so much buzz and excitement
Pretty unimpressed by their plugin scanning at the moment.
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