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kgdrum

Greetings
Well besides learning a bit more about DP troubleshooting I figured out Elysia Karakter was the guilty party responsible causing the project to hang when I was attempting to close it,it’s too bad I like this plugin. I guess there’s no harm in seeing if the VST is less problematic than the AU.
I think DP supporting various plug-in formats is an amazing advantage DP offers that’s generally overlooked. A DAW like Logic only basically supporting AU and not also supporting VST is to me unfortunate.
But hallelujah! I’m making a little progress! 😂………….to be continued.
Again a big THANKS to everyone’s great suggestions and input. 👍
 

bdr

Active Member
Has anyone got any recordings of the webinars? Yeah I know, its not 100% kosher but MOTU literally refuse to post them (I have had many many back and forths with them, it's insanely frustrating) and they are all on at 2 or 3 in the AM in Australia. There's a few that would really help me out, and I'd really like to see the upcoming DP11 ones. Sincere thanks if anyone can assist.
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
My understanding is that some of them either weren’t that great or wandered off topic or whatever to the point they they would need to be edited in order to be worthy of motu posting them. I simply would not hold my breath this will ever happen. Perhaps new ones in the future will be better
 

60s Pop Man

New Member
The few webinars that I have watched were incredibly helpful. So yes it is frustrating to see an extensive listing of topics, most of which I would learn a great deal from, just sitting there.
 
They keep on saying they plan to post them, but yes, they want to edit them for content. The ones with professional guests also have expletives and trash talk on other famous people. More than once Matt used the beta to do the demo and crashed the program, so that sort of thing would be edited out.
 

60s Pop Man

New Member
I understand the need to edit content for the reasons listed above, but I don't understand why MOTU doesn't chip away at the list to make more webinars available.

For cryin' out loud, Club Cubase events over three hours long per session with some awkward moments are made available immediately after the live stream.
 

kgdrum

Greetings
I understand the need to edit content for the reasons listed above, but I don't understand why MOTU doesn't chip away at the list to make more webinars available.

For cryin' out loud, Club Cubase events over three hours long per session with some awkward moments are made available immediately after the live stream.
Besides the valuable knowledge that these webinars could offer to the eager user base the marketing opportunity MOTU isn’t taking advantage of seems like a complete oversight and borders on baffling.
 
Besides the valuable knowledge that these webinars could offer to the eager user base the marketing opportunity MOTU isn’t taking advantage of seems like a complete oversight and borders on baffling.
It doesn't border there, it crossed that line when they stopped doing webinars at the exact moment DP11 came out. Plus not releasing but four webinars. They shoot themselves in the foot IMO.
 

Al Maurice

Active Member
The fact is DP11's release was kind of kept quiet, the press releases came out after we heard about it.

And the roll out to the trade was rather slow take up too. In the meantime other DAW developers were quick off the mark about the same time, with the usual blaze of fanfare.
 
Has anyone fully tested this on Windows 10? Is it stable enough?
Just based on chunks & the articulation maps negative delay options alone I'm ready to switch from cubase 11!
Does Motu offer competitive crossgrades?
 
There’s a 30 day demo of DP11 on their site, enough time to work out configuration and see if your plugins etc. are compatible with DP11. Cross grade is $399, but I’ve seen it for sale used for $200 often enough.
 

dterry

New Member
Has anyone fully tested this on Windows 10? Is it stable enough?
Just based on chunks & the articulation maps negative delay options alone I'm ready to switch from cubase 11!
I have DP11 here on Win10. It is stable. The only negative with DP on Windows that has been there since the beginning, is that it isn't as snappy as Cubase, especially with large templates. Scrolling through the mixer can be a chore, and navigating, starting and stopping playback can have some noticeable lags. This is not plugin compensation or buffer related (i.e. anything the user can solve). It may be graphics, or just DP not being as optimized for Windows. My video card is more than sufficient. I've tested it many times trying to find ways to improve DP's responsiveness with large templates, using identical plugins, routing, VEP connections as I have in Cubase, and even using alternate reverbs, and routing approaches/simplifications that seem more efficient in DP specifically.

Busses and VEPro connections (VRack or within a Sequence, doesn't matter) seem to be the main culprits for DP, where Cubase scrolls effortlessly and responds quickly with exactly the same template configuration (I duplicated my template in both to compare). I still like a lot about DP, but it just doesn't feel smooth and responsive on Windows (8 or 10). I am curious if it is better in that regard on OSX.
 
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I have DP11 here on Win10. It is stable. The only negative with DP on Windows that has been there since the beginning, is that it isn't as snappy as Cubase, especially with large templates. Scrolling through the mixer can be a chore, and navigating, starting and stopping playback can have some noticeable lags. This is not plugin compensation or buffer related (i.e. anything the user can solve). It may be graphics, or just DP not being as optimized for Windows. My video card is more than sufficient. I've tested it many times trying to find ways to improve DP's responsiveness with large templates, using identical plugins, routing, VEP connections as I have in Cubase, and even using alternate reverbs, and routing approaches/simplifications that seem more efficient in DP specifically.

Busses and VEPro connections (VRack or within a Sequence, doesn't matter) seem to be the main culprits for DP, where Cubase scrolls effortlessly and responds quickly with exactly the same template configuration (I duplicated my template in both to compare). I still like a lot about DP, but it just doesn't feel smooth and responsive on Windows (8 or 10). I am curious if it is better in that regard on OSX.
curious, does Vienna publish a MAS VEP plug in for Windows? if not that could help, what with 0ver 700 possible MIDI tracks to the server..
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
I am curious if it is better in that regard on OSX.

I haven't had those kinds of issues on OSX. I encourage you to try to work with MOTU tech support to see if its resolvable, or often not that could get attention for fixes to the software. DP was only brought to windows a few years back...for decades it was a MacOS only product. what are the specs of your Windows machine in terms of CPU, GPU and memory, etc.?
 

dterry

New Member
curious, does Vienna publish a MAS VEP plug in for Windows? if not that could help, what with 0ver 700 possible MIDI tracks to the server..
Yes. I use the MAS version exclusively. I even tested with only MAS plugins. It's simply a matter of project size. I just tested with 500 midi tracks, and switching between the Tracks and Sequence editors is slow. Opening the mixer is very slow, as is scrolling through tracks in the Mixer. Scrolling the Tracks window is fine.
 

dterry

New Member
I haven't had those kinds of issues on OSX. I encourage you to try to work with MOTU tech support to see if its resolvable, or often not that could get attention for fixes to the software. DP was only brought to windows a few years back...for decades it was a MacOS only product. what are the specs of your Windows machine in terms of CPU, GPU and memory, etc.?
I have reported several issues to MOTU, including this one a few versions back. I'll contact them again and see what might come of it. The system is an i7, 64G ram, GTX 960 card (2G VRam). It's plenty for Cubase, ProTools, etc, so this sluggishness could be unique to Windows, or Windows plus some system element neither MOTU or I am aware of.

I see you have a MacPro 5.1. If it runs well there, then this is likely Windows related, not system. My i7 is comparable (6 physical cores, 12 virtual, 3.6GHz). I would be curious to see how a new M1 (even with only 16G Ram) performs with DP11 and VEPro linked to external slave PCs. If it is fast and responsive, that could be an option, at least for some looking to switch to DP.
 
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