NI / Galaxy Instruments / Nils Frahm -- NOIRE

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  1. scoringdreams

    scoringdreams Unsuspecting Person

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    A felted CFX is indeed hard to come across...
     
  2. idematoa

    idematoa Active Member

    01 - Native Instruments - Noire - Particles Engine
    02 - Spitfire Audio - OACE




    SA - OACE.JPG NI - Noire Pure - Particles Engine.JPG
     
  3. idematoa

    idematoa Active Member

    Native Instruments - Noire - Particles Engine,
    Spitfire Audio - LCOT - Astral Tail - Frozen Waves




    NI - Noire Pure _ SA - LCOT - Astral Tail - Frozen Waves.JPG
     
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  4. axb312

    axb312 Senior Member

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    Can anyone tell me how many dynamic layers and round robins this library has?
     
  5. Mark Schmieder

    Mark Schmieder Active Member

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    For those talking about e-vouchers, it was a flat amount this time, $25 even for those of us who bought the new expanded edition that includes the Symphony Series -- unless that's just because I skipped K11 so was coming from K10U to K12U-ExtraKomplete. I used it anyway, as Noire with felt is a luscious sound as it retains the thunderous bass.
     
  6. tack

    tack Damned Dirty Ape

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    While I appreciate the example (thanks!) I confess I found this a bit frustrating to listen to because the chord changes weren't tempo-locked with the particles engine.
     
  7. Cinebient

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    I just saw in a pluginguru video where he counted 22 velocity layers, not sure about round robins.
    He goes a bit more in detail:
     
  8. keepitsimple

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    22, VERY impressive. It actually feels like it.
     
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  10. Cinebient

    Cinebient Active Member

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    Really thinking about to buy this since i have no 9" concert grand in my collection.
    I hope next they make The Giant 2 with the Klavins Model 450i.
    Or what about the Godzilla Grand with 100" :)
     
  11. idematoa

    idematoa Active Member

    01 - Native Instruments - Noire Pure [Particles Engine]
    02 - Spitfire Audio - Labs - Choir
    SA - LABS - Choir.JPG NI - Noire Pure - Particles Engine.JPG





     
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  12. Lemmi

    Lemmi New Member

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    Indeed, NOIRE uses 22 dynamic layers (both, in the Pure and Felt version) and has no round robins. However, just to shine some light on our piano production technique: These 22 dynamic layers were selected out of the 70 - 100 samples, which we've recorded per key. So we did not only record the ones we used, but we've selected the best 22 samples per key for a smooth dynamic curve. More is not always better, it also has to perform right...

    Cheers,
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  13. axb312

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    Would like to see demos of:
    1. Noire used in an orchestral context.
    2. Noire used in a classical, solo context.
    3. Noire used in a trailer(ish) context.

    If anybody would be so kind...
     
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    whiskers Perpetual student

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    Out if curiosity, was the lack of RR an intentional design choice? I assume so, just curious on the reasoning/philosophy. :)
     
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  15. keepitsimple

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    NOIRE vs Ravenscroft vs Keyscape.

    I did not use the same midi file, instead, i wanted to improvise on each one separately and let it guide me as i play.

    - NOIRE default preset: 0:00
    - Ravenscroft: 4:16
    - Keyscape: 8:31
    - NOIRE custom preset: 12:23

     
  16. rudi

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    Superb! Beautiful playing and tone. Thank you for sharing.
     
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  17. Lemmi

    Lemmi New Member

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    Hello Whiskers,

    yes, this was an instrument design choice. RRs would have almost tripled the size of the library, since two RRs don't really work (three would be minimum). However, if you actually "play" the piano with a midi controller, you hardly hit the same velocity twice with 22 dynamic layers, so RRs would only be a very time, resource and cost consuming gimmick...

    Cheers,
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  18. Lemmi

    Lemmi New Member

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    Very interesting, thank you for doing this!

    Cheers,
    Stephan
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  19. keepitsimple

    keepitsimple Active Member

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    Thanks rudi.

    No problem! Sounds and reacts great. Congratulations.
     
  20. Raindog

    Raindog Senior Member

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    It is a beautiful playing piano especially for playing in an exposed situation (like solo piano or as a piano in a not too dense mix). In this context it sounds beautiful even out of the box. Tweakability is great though and what I like most is the perfect crossfade between dynamic layers. Almost like real. I havenĀ“t used the particle sounds often but some of them could be very useful in a cinematic or pad like context. This piano might substitute my Emotional Piano from Soundiron which I otherwise like a lot.
    Best regards
    Raindog
     
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