alexballmusic

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My quest to create an authentic sounding vintage orchestra continues. This is my 4th go at it and I think I'm getting a little better with each attempt, although still a work in progress.

What do you guys think? Anything I'm missing or could improve? Anybody have more insight into the gear and techniques of this era I could learn from?

 

rottoy

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You are a bloody whiz with these, I love it.
One nitpick with this one; I don't know if it's some tape wobble effect that's causing it or excessive humanization, but the legato strings sound woefully out of tune at points. Perhaps that could be dialled back a bit?
 
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alexballmusic

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You are a bloody whiz with these, I love it.
One nitpick with this one; I don't know if it's some tape wobble effect that's causing it or excessive humanization, but the legato strings sound woefully out of tune at points. Perhaps that could be dialled back a bit?
Couple of people now said the same thing. So that must be right. I must have missed that.

I have had the capture software do some weird pitch things to screen captures so I wonder if that's happened again in a few places now I listen back.

I had the wow and flutter set quite mildly so it shouldn't sound like big drifts.

I shall watch out for that. Thanks for the feedback.
 

Maxime Luft

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Very inspiring! I agree with @rottoy that the vintage pitch-shifting effect is occasionally a bit too obvious, at first I had to ask myself if you're parodying the genre.
Nonetheless, I think it's great!
 
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alexballmusic

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Very inspiring! I agree with @rottoy that the vintage pitch-shifting effect is occasionally a bit too obvious, at first I had to ask myself if you're parodying the genre.
Nonetheless, I think it's great!
Yep, several people made the same comment. Think that's spot on. Thanks for the feedback, does help to pick out the things I miss.
 
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alexballmusic

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OK, so here's some more development on this.

The vintage mix with the wow and flutter backed off and without any of the glitches in the screen capture:

And a modern mix with no vintage processing for comparison:

Thanks again for your feedback Much appreciated.
 

South Thames

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(Vintage) hats off -- this is great! Really interesting challenge to try and capture this era of music/recording with samples, and I think you've done a terrific job. The string arrangement emulation, particularly, is fantastic.

I actually kind of prefer the modern mix -- the music itself proclaims the era loud and clear, and from my POV some of the recording effects are a little distracting, though less so in the second example. But I guess emulating the recording style is part of the challenge also.

The only bit of this which says 'samples' to me on a casual listening are the exposed horns chord at 0:03 and elsewhere -- they seem to speak too slowly; may be a closer perspective would help? But that's picking nits. Great job

Don't know if you do requests but would love to hear you have a go at one of the Barry Bond scores from the 60s...
 
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alexballmusic

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(Vintage) hats off -- this is great! Really interesting challenge to try and capture this era of music/recording with samples, and I think you've done a terrific job. The string arrangement emulation, particularly, is fantastic.

I actually kind of prefer the modern mix -- the music itself proclaims the era loud and clear, and from my POV some of the recording effects are a little distracting, though less so in the second example. But I guess emulating the recording style is part of the challenge also.

The only bit of this which says 'samples' to me on a casual listening are the exposed horns chord at 0:03 and elsewhere -- they seem to speak too slowly; may be a closer perspective would help? But that's picking nits. Great job

Don't know if you do requests but would love to hear you have a go at one of the Barry Bond scores from the 60s...
Thanks very much.

Mixes - I quite like the vintage mixes because they smudge things together a bit and hide some of the "sample" sound a little. But interesting to do a straight modern mix too. After all, that is what it sounded like at the time in the flesh.

The brass were the most difficult on this. Especially that section you mention. Tried a bunch of different patches and programming approaches and it still wasn't sounding exactly like I'd want. Will have to see if closer mic mixes help that in future as you suggested.

Thanks again.
 

devonmyles

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Alex, I did compliment over on YouTube.
But once again, top stuff, old bean.

Interesting enough, listening to your mock ups, sent me in search of some Barry Gray material on YouTube for some reason - Nostalgia More than likely.
 
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alexballmusic

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Alex, I did compliment over on YouTube.
But once again, top stuff, old bean.

Interesting enough, listening to your mock ups, sent me in search of some Barry Gray material on YouTube for some reason - Nostalgia More than likely.
Thanks very much.

Yep, nostalgia is also my drug of choice.