That being said, Daniel didn't start the drama or continued it. I've read a few posts here from people who apparently didn't follow the whole thing and act like it's 50:50 both sides fault. No, it's not. Most of the time other people started to quote and attack Daniel to start a discussion and he was simply only replying, or they made random stupid jokes about the HZS debate / DJ where he came across and just asked them to stop to be like that because we wouldn't need more hate and drama here after that whole thing was positively resolved.
Everything else in this charity thing was just an idea, nothing more. Daniel stated many times it's just a view on a possible trend that he'd like to talk about and that we should be able and allowed to discuss about, which I completely agree with. No one is gonna be harmed if we just talk about "if" cases, even if it's an unpopular one.
That's very simple. We do discuss things here every day, good and bad ones. But then Garry needed to actually start a new thread quoting Daniel, he came back and bumped the thread after just 4 hours without a reply from DJ with a provocative "Still no reply?" post like DJ wouldn't be a busy professional who probably takes work and life a bit more important than immediately responding to a forum post. Followed by personal attacks from Garry, a very rude sarcastic writing style and blame on DJ for statements he never made.
Wanna have a little taste?
DJ in the original thread before:
Daniel James said:
As for the conspiracy comments....we will see. Like I said they may not be planning hurting smaller devs but if LABS keeps growing and adding things that compete with the smaller devs then they will be in direct 'competition' to which Spitfire is undercutting by offering for free, which comes carefully close to qualifying for Predatory Pricing (read the wiki to save me having to drag it all up over and over)
Pretty clear point, they may not be planning that, but it simply could happen as a sideeffect if labs grows and becomes larger in content.
Garrys response:
Garry said:
The evidence you claim is that LABS used to be for charity, and now it's not, therefore, QED - IT'S A CONSPIRACY TO UNDERMINE SMALL DEVELOPERS! I mean really, that's the best you've got? That is pure inference on your part, and baseless speculation; it barely amounts to an argument.
- Still claiming that DJ would say that it would be Spitfires intention to underminde small developers on purpose
- Finally spotting that it's just a speculation like DJ stated before like 100 times, but making it look like DJ would have not said that by highlighting the obvious this way.
Then he instantly started to move off topic with attacking Daniel instead of talking about the subject:
Garry said:
As I pointed out, as a small developer yourself, you have a dog in this fight - there is cause for you jumping to such inference. Reading this situation as an impartial observer (I laid out my impartiality credentials in the first post - you can't dismiss me of simply being malicious towards you, as I've completely supported you up to now), then it is YOU Daniel who looks nefarious in this situation.
Look at this, same post still:
Garry said:
This seems to reveal the true nature of your objections. Jealousy, pure and simple. As a developer who, by your own admission, is not in Spitfire's league, you look over the fence with your green eyes of envy at what they have, and it colours your perception.
Finished by this sentence:
Garry said:
It doesn't matter to me, one way or the other: I find it mildly perplexing why people feel the need to instantly criticise Spitfire, and assume ill motives where there is no reason to do so.
DJ has made like tons of absolutely positive reviews and statements about Spitfire products, and only two not so positive things in the close past, which were about Hans Zimmer Strings and the Labs, if you can count HZS even in since it was misinterpreted a lot. But why keep that in mind if you can just act like someone does "instantly criticise Spitfire" by default, everywhere, anytime. If you don't have good arguments, just create your own reality. Let's just ignore that DJ's relation between positive and negative things said about Spitfire is like 20:2
Garrys post was - sorry to say so - full of shit, twisted "facts", personal attacks and false accusings . And Garrys initial postings pretty much show off that he was aiming for bad blood from the very beginning:
Ok - thread opened in the Drama Zone
here to discuss your assertion regarding Spitfire's charity donations, as you proposed
@Daniel James. Look forward to your reply there. Challenge accepted. Bring popcorn!
If you ask me, if anyone here should get muzzled then Garry. Mods should watch out for people who start wars on purpose and who are out for bad blood. This is the source of the problem. Not normal users like DJ simply getting dragged into fights by trolls like Garry, who let out their frustration at the cost of others.