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Multi-mic routing and volume control (CC7)

JohannesR

Active Member
I have started to work in quad. For most libraries (OT is an exception), CC7 stop acting as volume control once you start routing the different microphones to different outputs in Kontakt.

It would be nice to have a master volume control for each patch. Re-assigning CC11 to CC7 is a solution, but the you’d lose expression control.

How do you guys deal with this? All ideas appreciated.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
CC7 is used by default for master instrument volume output (that's the option found in Instrument Options -> Controller -> Accept standard controllers for Volume and Pan. Of course if you route something so that it bypasses this master instrument output, CC7 won't work at all.

You can work around this by loading the same patch multiple times, purge everything except a single mic, and use the audio output selector in instrument header as opposed to the one in the script.

Another workaround is DISABLING the above mentioned option, and adding CC7 modulator to modulate amplifier volume, across all groups.
 
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JohannesR

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CC7 is used by default for master instrument volume output (that's the option found in Instrument Options -> Controller -> Accept standard controllers for Volume and Pan. Of course if you route something so that it bypasses this master instrument output, CC7 won't work at all.

You can work around this by loading the same patch multiple times, purge everything except a single mic, and use the audio output selector in instrument header as opposed to the one in the script.

Another workaround is DISABLING the above mentioned option, and adding CC7 modulator to modulate amplifier volume, across all groups.
Thanks so much, @EvilDragon.

Re:Loading the same patch multiple times; can this cause problems with RR? Or will the corresponding tree mic sample trigger simultaneously as the ambient mic?
 

Nick Batzdorf

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Thanks so much, @EvilDragon.
No help here, but I'm curious - why are you working in quad rather than a more standard surround format? I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, I'm asking seriously!

As an aside, in general I'd say it's a good idea to use unassigned CCs for this kind of thing - for example #s 21 - 33. That will avoid any possibility of confusion.
 
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JohannesR

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@Nick Batzdorf

Everything will in fact end up in 5.1, but my VE Pro computer sends quad, just to simplify a little bit and save some resources. I can then route the signals to the center speaker and/or the LFE if need be from my DAW computer. Most of the score happen in L, R, Ls and Rs anyway, so for me sending quad isn’t really a noticeable compromise at all. I just have to be careful balancing the close mics, since they are on the same channels as the tree mics. Mixers who know what they’re doing would want to differentiate the panning between the close and the tree mics a little bit, but for me it’s close enough!

After all, most of the strings, brass and woodwinds will be replaced anyway, and the score will be mixed by someone who is way better than me at this.


Not saying this is the best way, but it works pretty well for me. I’m totally open for other suggestions though!
 
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