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Most Disappointing Library Purchase?

Robert_G

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Im shocked at the 8dio hate here.
I agree, that in the music sampling world, 8dio is in their own little corner and plays by a different set of rules.

Some of their early stuff is certainly questionable, but Im not sure how anyone who has used their Century Series can say anything bad about those libraries. They are both fantastic well thought out libraries.
 
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ProfoundSilence

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I won't be changing my opinion that 8Dio is a sham company that churns out shit products and even shittier customer service. I'm amazed at the blind loyalty for such a shyster company. They won't be getting my hard earned money ever again.
I don't think there is anyone who is blindly loyal to 8dio - it's simply that deal breakers for some aren't deal breakers for all.

century brass is pretty underrated, and honestly the older string libraries are still in use by some people, because despite it's faults - do some things very well.
 

Hasici

New Member
Im shocked at the 8dio hate here.
I don't necessary think it is a hate. For me I learned a lesson. Don't buy something because of well produced demos and well written copy.
If I was able to trial in advance the stuff I had purchased from 8dio for example I would not buy it afterwards! They know that, so this is a business model largely based on the sales pitch, not a test drive. Typical in this industry.
But because I can't test drive stuff before and there is no return policy, the only thing I literally have is to bitch about it when it doesn't meet the expectation. I had to make my money by selling my time and knowledge and that money did not returned anything useful in case of my 8dio purchases. Sending it to charity would be a better use.
 

Land of Missing Parts

Grumpy Monkey
the only thing I literally have is to bitch about it when it doesn't meet the expectation.
You can help others by saying which specific libraries have issues, and what the issues are. Maybe post an audio example.

Not all 8Dio stuff is flawed; I feel pretty good about the epic perc and the Claire winds I've bought on flash sale. 8Dioboe and Adagio Violas are bumpy at times, but still useful if you can get them cheap on flash sale.

Even though you can't test drive sample libraries (except Best Service, maybe), you can spend some time searching VI Control, and hopefully benefit from other people's posts. Especially if they post the specifics, and maybe some audio examples. Musicians Helping Musicians. :cool:
 
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pmountford

Active Member
The problem as I see it is that so many people feel their reviews need to be shared. If I had of listened to so much of the negativity towards 8DIO on this forum I wouldn't have bought many of their libraries. As it is, I generally found that what I've purchased has a place in my workflow that sounds sufficiently different from most other developers. Sure, there are definitely a few bum libraries that I wished I'd not purchased but there are far more that I'm glad I do have.
 

Erick - BVA

Music is more than just color and rhythm
The problem as I see it is that so many people feel their reviews need to be shared. If I had of listened to so much of the negativity towards 8DIO on this forum I wouldn't have bought many of their libraries. As it is, I generally found that what I've purchased has a place in my workflow that sounds sufficiently different from most other developers. Sure, there are definitely a few bum libraries that I wished I'd not purchased but there are far more that I'm glad I do have.
Exactly my sentiments.
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
The problem as I see it is that so many people feel their reviews need to be shared. If I had of listened to so much of the negativity towards 8DIO on this forum I wouldn't have bought many of their libraries. As it is, I generally found that what I've purchased has a place in my workflow that sounds sufficiently different from most other developers. Sure, there are definitely a few bum libraries that I wished I'd not purchased but there are far more that I'm glad I do have.
I like the reviews because it gives me a better sense of what to expect, especially when there is no general system in place to try the instruments out. Sometimes the reviews can be maddening and seem hyperbolic, often the reviewers seem to have an agenda. But it's rare that a critical point in a review does not identify a real problem, even if I find it manageable. AndI think it's good going in to know what sorts of limitations you are likely to encounter (because virtual instruments, even the best in class, still suffer from real limitations).
 

musicboyy

Member
I honestly don't think I can pinpoint a library I've purchased that I'm completely disappointed in. While I definitely like some more than others, I always find something I can work with. In regards to 8DIO, I only have a handful of their libraries which I mostly purchased during flash deals...all in all, I do like them. I try to rely on walkthroughs instead of the demos but sometimes Troels just spends way too much time talking (very quickly) and praising the interface more than just showing the sounds. I appreciate his enthusiasm, but it comes across as the interface, code and ability to manipulate the sounds are the stars...not the sounds themselves.
 
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ism

Senior Member
Its not that there isn't lots to love about 8dio libraries. Its that I have found I just can't trust the marketing. Hence the disappointment. Which isn't precisely the same thing as the libraries being bad.

Even when I have gone on to later ,and after much effort, been able to get good use out of an 8dio library, it's often only after a great deal of frustration involved in first realizing that it doesn't do well what I though it would do when I bought it.

And there is a particular vision in libraries like Claire and Adagio, that is unique and valuable. But I don't really think I adequately understood what it was when I bought it.

It is my ignorance of how to parse developer marketing? Well sure.

But that doesn't really ease the bitterness of the experience.

But in the absence of demos etc, the only way to get past my ignorance as a consumer is to

a) buy 8dio libraries and experience the suffering and seeming infidelity of the marketing, or

b) absorb all the critical opinions here. True, some of these opinions are tainted by bitterness, and so nor really property "critical" in so you eed to account for that. But in the absence of anything resembling a property critical form of sampling library reviewing (the adagios "reviews", for instance are absurdly uncritical, and for the most part as well be an extension of 8dio's marketing department) that's what we got.

Still, there is lots of positive things said about 8dio said here also, especially not that prices are coming down to where, so long as you now what you're buying, there's genuinely good value to be had.

On a positive note, really enjoying working with the 8dio english horn (having bought it, for for once, actually more or less understanding ahead of time what it was and wasn't going to do compared to, for instance, the spitfire Col Anglais).
 

arcy

Member
Spitfire Studio Brass standard. Inconsistent articulations, especially with the horns. Different tone and volume between the articulations, trills bug. I wrote to the SF support just two times.
 

X-Bassist

Senior Member
Interestingly, I have never bought a library what was disappointing. There was always a reason why I bought all my libs .... .

To me an unused library is a disappointment, for surely we plunk down the money with the intention of using the library... unless you just hoard them. ;)

So, from that aspect, out of all the libraries you‘ve purchased, you’ve gotten use in a song from every one in some way? It is possible if you write a lot of music, but I don’t think I could ever make that claim. More than one had turned out to be less steller than advertised or had glitches that prevent me from using it effectively.

But if so you are the first I have known of, so congrats!
 

germancomponist

Senior Member
I usually buy a library when I'm looking for something special. I listen to the demos e.t.c. , Then I buy, or not. Sometimes a single, tiny little sound from a library is enough for me to buy the library. Of many libraries, I do not know the rest they still offer. :)
 

kitekrazy

Senior Member
To me an unused library is a disappointment, for surely we plunk down the money with the intention of using the library... unless you just hoard them. ;)

So, from that aspect, out of all the libraries you‘ve purchased, you’ve gotten use in a song from every one in some way? It is possible if you write a lot of music, but I don’t think I could ever make that claim. More than one had turned out to be less steller than advertised or had glitches that prevent me from using it effectively.

But if so you are the first I have known of, so congrats!

I think we do that and then being disappointed after a certain period we just don't use it anymore then the cycle starts again. I think most of us do the same thing with softsynths and mixing plugins.

Anyone ever force themselves to using something because they paid for it?
 

X-Bassist

Senior Member
Anyone ever force themselves to using something because they paid for it?

Anytime I buy something and I'm captured in the moment (because I do watch the walkthroughs and know what sounds I'm going to like) I can easily use it in that moment, but if the playability isn't there and I have to work to get what I want (easier with something like pads, but more difficult with solo instruments or special articulations) then it may never make it off the drafting board. Also some instruments come along that are seriously better in the sound quality or playability department that makes me upgrade.

But the good news is once you get to try a lot out, you realize they are just tools to get the job done. You do want excellent tools, but finding them is a journey in itself. I told myself for years the SCS string sound was too synthy for my ears, but now that I got a deal on them I realize they are perfect for much of my work. Replacing many other libraries that I use to think were as good. They are just so easy to play. Layered with other libraries (like CSS) works well too.

Now I feel I have a good workshop of tools, and it's on to making the music. Perhaps with a specialized saw or micro tools to add in the future. I just think hearing other peoples mistakes might help us to skip over the 6 dozen or so libraries I had to go through to get to stuff I like and can use long term. Assuming tech doesn't radically change in 2026. ;)
 
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