8dio are masters at creating demos that don't translate with the same enthusiasm to the actual instrument. Practically any 8dio library I bought was a waste.
To be precise - the 8dio teasers are the biggest tricksters. Wouldn't it be actually funny if they use actual real musicians to make the teasers - sort of like they do teasers for games which are per-rendered and not the actual game engine, then you get the game and it looks far worse... because that it feels to me. (Conspiracies, conspiracies)
Primary issue is that the pitch bend range is a maximum of 2, and the roli simply doesn't work well in this range. 12 or more pitch bend range makes it handle much better.What? Why not? Is there not a viable cc remapping you could do?
Not exactly disappointing but if I had to do things over again when I invested in sample libraries I would have gone with someone besides spitfire. Spitfire makes amazing samples and I have no complaints about their quality but if I had to do things over again I’d go with orchestral tools. I like how comprehensive OT’s Berlin series is, certain things like them taking the time to sample different horn or flute players. Adds lots of realism when you can write for individual parts instead of blobs of sound. Berlin percussion has endless options for picking various drums. You feel like you have way more control of the orchestra. I feel I’d like Berlin strings because with smaller sections you have options for more realistic divisi. I like how everything is recorded in the same space. I like how you get all the mics in one place. I like how the legato is in the same patch as the rest of the articulations. I’m sure like any other library there would be quirks to work around but what I think really matters is just knowing your individual needs and how you work and then making a purchase. How patches are set up is a small thing but it really has altered how I’ve set up my entire template. Not a huge deal tbh. Also I’m a big fan of how the cinematic studio series is layed out-there’s something to be said for consistent interfaces that are easy to use. Spitfire interfaces are fine, useable but nothing special.
I know right?! Like if I want to combine the flutes I’ll do it myself! Also I’ll point out I’m not really one for doubling woodwinds a2 (two oboes on one part just makes me uncomfortable for example). Spitfire has great samples, very resource friendly. They get the job done. And countless pros use them and the mockups always sound amazing. You do have a point with limiting options. The less libraries you have the harder you have to work to get the sound you want. Eliminates decision fatigue. That’s how I am with plugins. I’m not a mix engineer so I don’t need 10 different compressors or EQs. Just have my workhorses that I know well and can get good results with. But then I see something shiny and the next thing I know I’m checking out on PayPalbiggest issue with OT is the massive requirements to get full use out of them. ofcourse you could always set up a sketching template using 1 mic and 1 instrument per family, but don't beat yourself up - because if you don't have the rig to use OT in a way that fit your work flow - then you'd be having different headaches.
but yes, it gripes me when you record for instance solo flute - then flute a2... JUST RECORD THE TWO SEPERATE FLUTES lol. Although sometimes I wish I just used a really small template with less options, because all the options can certainly be paralyzing at times.
Lol, this thread proves you can't please everyone. Some love spitfire, some orchestral tools, some 8dio. I couldn’t get into CSSS at first, but then suffered through learning the fine details of the CC settings and then also gained an appreciation for spitfires versatility. Now orchestral tools are starting to show some lacking in versatility by comparison. Still, love 8dio and OT’s tone but 8dio in particular does have its odd quirks. I don’t think any of these makers are bad. We just have workflows and needs. We’ll probably never agree on what is best or worst because we all have different priorities.
Lol, this thread proves you can't please everyone. Some love spitfire, some orchestral tools, some 8dio. I couldn’t get into CSSS at first, but then suffered through learning the fine details of the CC settings and then also gained an appreciation for spitfires versatility. Now orchestral tools are starting to show some lacking in versatility by comparison.
Releasing a product where the key tune is out by at least two semitones is a deal breaker, and a sign of a shoddy company. Even more when said company refuses to issue an update or an apology.
strange… there are some things I liked about SF library ui's - like the round robin stack feature, but I can't see where you feel like there is more versatility with SF's ui vs CSS... maybe I misunderstood you - and you enjoy the sheer amount of articulations in some of their symphonic series?
I admit I kind of miss flautando, but being able to crossfade between 3 different kinds of bowing techniques in legato is unquestionably made SF obsolete to me. Although BS+ exp a and b isn't cheap - capsule has opened up a mountain of possibilities, even at it's steep resource cost. If there was another way to crossfade between other articulations - it would be awesome.
I won't be changing my opinion that 8Dio is a sham company that churns out shit products and even shittier customer service. I'm amazed at the blind loyalty for such a shyster company. They won't be getting my hard earned money ever again.
So far, i really liked this forum, because it wasn't going the kvr-route (i.e. when hobbyists bash everything they either can't afford or understand).
And - without knowing you - i would be somehow glad if you wouldn't post such statements which will damage the reputation and value of this forum.
I have lots of 8dio libraries (as libraries from lots of other developers) and i think your assumptions are not only false but dangerous.
Some of them may have flaws (as have the libraries of almost every other developers...), but don't attack them if the library isn't doing the work for you. Since that is your part.