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Most Disappointing Library Purchase?

Robert_G

Senior Member
I revisited the EWQL Pianos Platinum over the past couple of days and arrived at the same feeling and conclusion as you. I tweaked the settings and mic balances for a couple of hours and nothing I did could change the misery of improvising on them.

Been there done that. They are unusable. Luckily for me, they are only part of my composer cloud and not a purchase.
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Just to know, as I'm curious : what is it you don't like in it? I really like it myself.

I thought that was curious myself. CH Brass is my go to for solo brass instruments. There is a bit of a learning curve, and it's best to know something about effects/engineering before using them in a project. But for clean sampled solo brass, wws, strings...all default Hein.

Perhaps @ProfoundSilence wanted something more complete out of the box than malleable.
 

Shredoverdrive

Phantom limb
I suppose if you don't like building your reverb and placing your instruments, it's a little less ideal. But even then, they sound good out of the box, IMHO. And the playability of the dynamic long and dynamic short articulations (that you have in all CH libraries) make it a time-saver to me.
 

ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
I feel like it's just not as fluid and playable as sample modeling, but suffered from all the same downsides that working with sample modeling has.

I think CH (I only have the solo strings) is great, but CH OB just falls flat in too many areas for me. Plus it's got a strange instrumentation (3+3+3) which I didn't like.

I originally thought CH OB might be a good combo to combine, or mix and match with sample modeling brass - but I didn't find many strengths over sample modelling, so it simply wasn't worth it. If I had no library before hand, I'd probably not regret it, but I had a library that worked and fell for the "grass might be greener" and paid for essentially a downgrade.

but thanks for erring on the side of me simply being incompetent or impatient rather than accepting that maybe I spent time with the library, had experience with alternatives and came to a rational destination of disappointment.
 

dzilizzi

Senior Member
I have to say OT's Kinder Symphony was not what I was expecting. I really expected 2 yr olds bashing on orchestral instruments. Kind of like Ark 1. Not lullaby presets. They are so soft, I can't hear anything. And for how much it costs???? :shocked: :sneaky:

Happy April's Fools. :rolleyes:
 

Pantonal

Active Member
I feel like it's just not as fluid and playable as sample modeling, but suffered from all the same downsides that working with sample modeling has.

I think CH (I only have the solo strings) is great, but CH OB just falls flat in too many areas for me. Plus it's got a strange instrumentation (3+3+3) which I didn't like.

I originally thought CH OB might be a good combo to combine, or mix and match with sample modeling brass - but I didn't find many strengths over sample modelling, so it simply wasn't worth it. If I had no library before hand, I'd probably not regret it, but I had a library that worked and fell for the "grass might be greener" and paid for essentially a downgrade.

but thanks for erring on the side of me simply being incompetent or impatient rather than accepting that maybe I spent time with the library, had experience with alternatives and came to a rational destination of disappointment.
You had to know that CH OB is held in fairly high regard and your comment would pique curiosity and cause others to share their experiences with the lib. I don't recall anyone criticizing you.
 

ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
You had to know that CH OB is held in fairly high regard and your comment would pique curiosity and cause others to share their experiences with the lib. I don't recall anyone criticizing you.
this was true initially, had not someone responded with wild speculation in an attempt to put their mind at ease that someone had came to a different conclusion. This of course prompted the other user who had simply remained curious to come up with another wild guess.

" There is a bit of a learning curve, and it's best to know something about effects/engineering before using them"

"Perhaps @ProfoundSilence wanted something more complete out of the box than malleable."

the response to my position was that it takes knowledge and engineering to use them(and immediately he quietly gives himself this credit by stating that he does use them as his default)

I'm not mortally wounded by any of those comments, but a little tact would be useful. If you're interested in why I was disappointed, ask and wait for a response. Maybe Parsifal just isn't aware that he's a victim of confirmation bias because this is less of a direct and obvious example. Both users seem to be actively looking for the first explaination to ease being confronted with conflicting information, I was simply not okay with the subtle implication that the first thing that came to mind was simply inability or inexperience.

CH does have some high esteem around here - which is fine, plenty of excellent products - with excellent approaches. Some might be over zealous, but I assume it's safe to say you were disappointed with a purchase without implicating that the product itself is bad or unusable. Hein is an excellent person, creates some excellent products, and actively tries to push VI in the right direction.

I purchased CH solo strings long after I picked up CH OB/CHHs - so I'm certainly not someone who has ill will towards his products, nor do I have a lack of patience required to work with products.

but in a gesture of no ill will towards Parsifal, I offer my rendition of ride of the palkyries, where my beloved horn 1 of BB storms through the heavens along side his CH OB horn 1 to bring fallen heroes to odin's great hall.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/rideofthepalkyries-mp3.19251/][/AUDIOPLUS]
 

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Shredoverdrive

Phantom limb
this was true initially, had not someone responded with wild speculation in an attempt to put their mind at ease that someone had came to a different conclusion. This of course prompted the other user who had simply remained curious to come up with another wild guess.

" There is a bit of a learning curve, and it's best to know something about effects/engineering before using them"

"Perhaps @ProfoundSilence wanted something more complete out of the box than malleable."

the response to my position was that it takes knowledge and engineering to use them(and immediately he quietly gives himself this credit by stating that he does use them as his default)

I'm not mortally wounded by any of those comments, but a little tact would be useful. If you're interested in why I was disappointed, ask and wait for a response. Maybe Parsifal just isn't aware that he's a victim of confirmation bias because this is less of a direct and obvious example. Both users seem to be actively looking for the first explaination to ease being confronted with conflicting information, I was simply not okay with the subtle implication that the first thing that came to mind was simply inability or inexperience.

CH does have some high esteem around here - which is fine, plenty of excellent products - with excellent approaches. Some might be over zealous, but I assume it's safe to say you were disappointed with a purchase without implicating that the product itself is bad or unusable. Hein is an excellent person, creates some excellent products, and actively tries to push VI in the right direction.

I purchased CH solo strings long after I picked up CH OB/CHHs - so I'm certainly not someone who has ill will towards his products, nor do I have a lack of patience required to work with products.

but in a gesture of no ill will towards Parsifal, I offer my rendition of ride of the palkyries, where my beloved horn 1 of BB storms through the heavens along side his CH OB horn 1 to bring fallen heroes to odin's great hall.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/rideofthepalkyries-mp3.19251/][/AUDIOPLUS]

Well, I'm not sure anyone belittled your skills (hell, mine are pretty low as regards technical matters). The explanation you gave afterwards as to why you're dissapointed with CHOB makes sense. Let's say that without information about it, we've just speculated a little...
 
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Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
I feel like it's just not as fluid and playable as sample modeling, but suffered from all the same downsides that working with sample modeling has.

I think CH (I only have the solo strings) is great, but CH OB just falls flat in too many areas for me. Plus it's got a strange instrumentation (3+3+3) which I didn't like.

I originally thought CH OB might be a good combo to combine, or mix and match with sample modeling brass - but I didn't find many strengths over sample modelling, so it simply wasn't worth it. If I had no library before hand, I'd probably not regret it, but I had a library that worked and fell for the "grass might be greener" and paid for essentially a downgrade.

but thanks for erring on the side of me simply being incompetent or impatient rather than accepting that maybe I spent time with the library, had experience with alternatives and came to a rational destination of disappointment.

Hey if ya don't like it, ya don't like it! I really like the solo Trumpet and Trombone in CHOB...

the good news for you is CHOB can be sold. No loss.
 

TomislavEP

Senior Member
I had made quite a few errors when purchasing sample libraries, often because of the limited budget. But now I deeply regret for not having been much more patient and pragmatic and purchasing only what I really wanted.

For example, several years ago I was in the market for serious strings library for Kontakt. I had my eyes on Cinematic Strings 2 and Adagietto, but those were quite out of my reach at the time. So I got hooked by the seemingly no brainer deal at VST Buzz - they've offering more than 70% off for London Symphonic Strings by Aria Sounds. So I've thought - I won't be a snob and I'll give a less prominent developer a chance. But in this particular case it was a bad call. LSS is seemingly a huge library in the terms of size and contents, but its sound quality, programming and actual usability are less then great. The most bitter part of this story is the fact that the developers were promising serious updates of the library, but in the end they've abandoned the whole project altogether and don't even offer the original release version on their website anymore.

Today, when I have three Albions, Adagietto and other smaller solo string libraries, I've forgot about this purchase, but it had definitely left a bad aftertaste.
 

ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
Hey if ya don't like it, ya don't like it! I really like the solo Trumpet and Trombone in CHOB...

the good news for you is CHOB can be sold. No loss.

ill be honest, simply too lazy for it. If someone wants it at a discounted price feel free to PM me, but in general I've had a poor experience selling things 2nd hand. Often times people just want to nickel and dime you, and when you stoop that low on price, It's more utility sitting on my hard drive on the off chance I need it for something. That and I considered bundling a lot of software with my roli seaboard in an attempt to sell it, so it's not a bad thing to keep around for that(part of the reason I wanted CH OB to work, is that it works with the roli while the samplemodeling instruments don't)

Alas I gave up on the roli + full swam dream.
 

Casiquire

Senior Member
I feel like it's just not as fluid and playable as sample modeling, but suffered from all the same downsides that working with sample modeling has.

Interesting, i disagree. The only downsides are the dryness and sometimes tone but CH handles both of those better. In fact by virtue of relying more fully on actual samples rather than modeling often the tone is already better with CH. I do think there's a slight sacrifice of fluidity but the trade off is there's some built in expression if i want it.

I mean this less to imply that you're wrong and more to explain my own experience, understanding that disagreement on matters of taste is totally normal!
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Interesting, i disagree. The only downsides are the dryness and sometimes tone but CH handles both of those better. In fact by virtue of relying more fully on actual samples rather than modeling often the tone is already better with CH. I do think there's a slight sacrifice of fluidity but the trade off is there's some built in expression if i want it.

I mean this less to imply that you're wrong and more to explain my own experience, understanding that disagreement on matters of taste is totally normal!

The Hein instruments can take some EQ and reverb to sound great, and it can take some patience to apply such. Anyone whom gets really interested in preparing their music either for yourself and/or others stands a ton to gain by gaining even minor engineering chops.
 

quantum7

I'd rather be composing than decomposing
There are plenty of subpar libraries, but I honestly believe if you really know what you are doing, you can coax a great performance out of nearly any library.....it's just a bit more work and frustration, but it can be done! Some of my best work over the years was using very basic libraries. Sometimes working with material that is limited brings out the best in a creative mind. I often have found that libraries that can do just about anything can somewhat cripple my creativity....strange by true! I will NEVER let a limited library stop me from using it to its full potential...and sometimes even surpassing it with a bit of imagination...and even a bit of luck. I would rather open Melodyne and fix a performance with a limited library, rather than have to spend hundreds of dollars more in chasing the forever elusive "all perfect" library. :2thumbs:
 
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Casiquire

Senior Member
The Hein instruments can take some EQ and reverb to sound great, and it can take some patience to apply such. Anyone whom gets really interested in preparing their music either for yourself and/or others stands a ton to gain by gaining even minor engineering chops.

I never meant to indicate otherwise
 
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