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If the patch is not locked, I assume you can remove offending velocity layers and stretch the nearest velocity (or borrow the neighboring keys) to at the least massage the issue.
Thanks for the suggestion! It is not locked. Some keys have as few as 5 velocity layers. Probably it's better to borrow from the neighboring keys, but often the number of velocity layers are not the same. So it's not as straightforward but certainly worth a try.
 

Wolfie2112

Senior Member
EWQL Pianos. Sounds dead as a plastic fish. Also a huge amount of useless data.
Actually, I was just thinking about this recently while trying to find a new piano patch. I downloaded them all as part of my cloud subscription, but honestly I'm not a fan (yet, anyways). I still prefer the old Steinway B in Goliath/SO.
 

Jerry Growl

Composing Music in the Plastic Dark Ages
Actually, I was just thinking about this recently while trying to find a new piano patch. I downloaded them all as part of my cloud subscription, but honestly I'm not a fan (yet, anyways). I still prefer the old Steinway B in Goliath/SO.
It was an audacious collection at the time. Great detail, lots of microphones, lots of Gigabytes... At best I can play it for 10 minutes, before I feel miserable. It sounds to me like a dissected frog. Even though they were at some time very nice looking frogs, especially the Bösendorfer.
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
I'd have thought Wagner would prefer the instant "Wheee!" though.
Believe me, if Ark 1 had been my first ensemble library I would have wrote even more overblown junk than I do now!!!

I get super epic with the libraries I mentioned...in some ways better than Ark. But that's just me, as I said Met Ark 1 is still a pretty darn badass library imo.

I started out with rock and heavy metal music as a kid (mostly the latter), so Wagner (and Met Ark 1 for that matter) were pretty obviously going to be in my future lol! I just get sounds that make me happier with Iceni, Hollywood, etc. Keep in mind, I must always tag at the end "engineering ability", without that MA1 would have been a constant staple for my epics.
 

StatKsn

Active Member
From today's standard, QL Pianos has a lot of quirks and problems that haven't fixed and probably never will (there are a few dynamic layers that are louder/softer than higher/lower velocity, release noise stacking up, high notes are not dampered, pop/click at the end of sample etc). Can be worked around if you are just looking for a scoring piano, but the playability is kind of limited and the behavior is somewhat unrealistic at times.

I personally love its colorful roomy sound and wide dynamic range though, especially the Bosendorfer. Nick P did a fantastic job designing the sound of the library.

At the current price the spec is probably good enough for a character scoring piano. I wish I were able to tinker with the patches like Kontakt (Play Pro will come out in 2100).
 

muk

Senior Member
One recent disappointing purchase have been Synchron Strings for me. I own quite a few VSL libraries and like them a lot. Not so with Synchron Strings unfortunately. I didn't fancy the sound, I wasn't happy with the legato, I didn't connect with how it reacts to cc changes. I missed many articulations, which is a first for VSL libraries.
 

Voider

Came from the future
What a shite response.
That reminds me of Cinesamples who did respond to my mail adressing heavy noise baked into the round robins of their Cinesymphony Lite library, that it's just considered to be a "sketching library", not for final productions. And that therefore I should have a look at their full orchestra libraries.

Unfortunately they forgot that the samples in Cinesymphony Lite are actually taken from their full libraries. Last purchase I made from them, that's fore sure.
 
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joebaggan

Member
One recent disappointing purchase have been Synchron Strings for me. I own quite a few VSL libraries and like them a lot. Not so with Synchron Strings unfortunately. I didn't fancy the sound, I wasn't happy with the legato, I didn't connect with how it reacts to cc changes. I missed many articulations, which is a first for VSL libraries.
Yea, I want to like VSL but for the top dollar you pay for things like Synchron and their elaborate and costly upgrade paths, I just haven't found the quality to be worth it compared to other more recent libs. They sure have figured out an elaborate complicated way to monetize their products though (SE, Vol 1, Vol 1 plus, Vol 2 plus blah blah) Drives me nuts. Good news though is if you don't like their budget offferings, you can just stop there.
 

pderbidge

Senior Member
My biggest regret was buying 8Dio's Songwriting Guitar, a phrase based lib. For $98 I would have thought it be on par with Strummed Acoustic but was not even close. If it were say $50 then maybe not so bad but even then it was waaaay too limited for what it was. The good news is I wrote 8Dio about my disappointment after trying it out for a week and they worked out a good deal with me. I ended up getting an Agitato library and it was great. I recently finished the collection with their 40% sale. I feel like their support was top notch to work with.
I was also originally disappointed in Albion and then again in Albion One (blaspheme, I know) but the good news is the more I delve into it and force myself to work with it, since I paid so much for it, I actually like it a lot now. Some libraries just take time to warm up to.
 

keepitsimple

Active Member
- Light and sound concert Grand

- Chocolate audio Model 7

Advice to kontakt piano libraries developers: Make demo versions of your products because piano libraries need to be experienced and played before commitment or at least offer money back within a week. Not asking for 30 days.

Advice to myself: Never blind buy a piano library ever again.
 

Ultraxenon

Active Member
My biggest regret was buying 8Dio's Songwriting Guitar, a phrase based lib. For $98 I would have thought it be on par with Strummed Acoustic but was not even close. If it were say $50 then maybe not so bad but even then it was waaaay too limited for what it was. The good news is I wrote 8Dio about my disappointment after trying it out for a week and they worked out a good deal with me. I ended up getting an Agitato library and it was great. I recently finished the collection with their 40% sale. I feel like their support was top notch to work with.
I was also originally disappointed in Albion and then again in Albion One (blaspheme, I know) but the good news is the more I delve into it and force myself to work with it, since I paid so much for it, I actually like it a lot now. Some libraries just take time to warm up to.
I totally agree with you, some libraries grows while you work with them.
 
Well, It is definitely my purchase of a choir library from 8Dio. Had massive expectations from demos of it and found flaws after 10 minutes playing it. That followed up by a zero refund/resale/storecredit/discount offer policy made me soo sad. A true feeling of beeing fooled.
 
My biggest regret was buying 8Dio's Songwriting Guitar, a phrase based lib. For $98 I would have thought it be on par with Strummed Acoustic but was not even close. If it were say $50 then maybe not so bad but even then it was waaaay too limited for what it was. The good news is I wrote 8Dio about my disappointment after trying it out for a week and they worked out a good deal with me. I ended up getting an Agitato library and it was great. I recently finished the collection with their 40% sale. I feel like their support was top notch to work with.
I was also originally disappointed in Albion and then again in Albion One (blaspheme, I know) but the good news is the more I delve into it and force myself to work with it, since I paid so much for it, I actually like it a lot now. Some libraries just take time to warm up to.
What? Seems like they have good and bad days. I had a horrible experience with them offering me nothing at all in the same situation on their top of the line choir library.
 
Most of 8DIO stuff...total disaster for me. Mucho bucks down the drain... Only company I ever asked for my money back but no way...they kept it. Their demos are always so good yet THE worst playability ever. I tried a few different times with their libraries , now no matter how impressive their sales pitch is...won't take the chance with them. Also a month ago sent a support request to them on how I could get the update for the 1920's something piano I had purchased and never heard back. I'm done.
Wish I had read this thread before I stepped in on 8Dios site. I share your feelings totally. :(
 

paularthur

Jedi in training...
Anything that doesn't have Cine as the first four letters... and not so much disappointed in the product as in my in myself for impulse/corner cutting purchases... The good news i've managed to cherry pick my least used libraries for a patch or two that's useful...
 

LowweeK

Loïc D
Not a big spender here, but I'd say :

East West StormDrum (a while back, remember NI Intakt ? I never really used it)
8DiOboe (so far, never managed to make it sit in a mix, but I'll keep on trying)
EWQL Symphonic Choir (mostly WordBuilder though I had rolf moments try to make the choir curse in French).

I also have mixed feelings about EWQL Orchestra Gold : I like the sound & articulations, but it's not a instant-gratification library :D

Sobbing about all the ivory back scratchers I could have bought with that money.
 

Wolfie2112

Senior Member
Not a big spender here, but I'd say :

East West StormDrum (a while back, remember NI Intakt ? I never really used it)
8DiOboe (so far, never managed to make it sit in a mix, but I'll keep on trying)
EWQL Symphonic Choir (mostly WordBuilder though I had rolf moments try to make the choir curse in French).

I also have mixed feelings about EWQL Orchestra Gold : I like the sound & articulations, but it's not a instant-gratification library :D

Sobbing about all the ivory back scratchers I could have bought with that money.
And that just goes to show that everyone has different tastes. I always felt EWQL Orchestra Gold and Symphonic Choir were "instant gratification" libraries...right back to when I first bought them on the old NI Kompakt platform. And I still use Stormdrum 1 quite a bit, I just love those loops. :thumbsup:
 
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