Massive X is Out!

Dewdman42

Senior Member
Well I'm not a dumb person. And I didn't see it. and lots of other people didn't either. Thanks for your sarcasm which is very much not appreciated. NI could have been more transparent. Enjoy your AVX hardware.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
Not implying any dumbness, just that you didn't check out the product page fully. It happens, apparently to more people than just you.
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
its not like you don't breathe NI, run the NI forum, work for NI, have insider information. Give me a break, of course you know. NI was not transparent enough to the rest of us, simple as that. I was blind sided. You can shrug it off and it doesn't surprise me that you of all people would, but the simple truth, they pulled a fast one on many people this time. And whether you agree with me or not..I do not think for one second that AVX needs to be an absolute requirement. Have a good night.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
The AVX requirement was there early on. If you didn't see it (in the place where it is expected to be seen, system requirements), that's not NI's fault. I know you'll disagree, but the fact is that info was there.
 

poetd

Active Member
NI are not a boutique top shelf seller, a lot of their products are aimed at the mainstream - and the mainstream isn't known for it's super alertness to obscure requirements details.

While I pass the AVX test I fully understand anyone being miffed over this.
Ni SHOULD have done a better job of letting people know that this synth needed something new over the dozens of other synths they sell.
Unless of course they either didn't care or worse - realised it would have harmed sales.
We don't know which it was, but still a dick move. .
 

Jaap

Senior Member
Impossible to save a preset, I just cant enter any letters, it makes complete nonsense out of it. I wanted to save a preset under "user" to just get me some favourites (as it lacks that functionality), but when I try to enter a letter before or after, complete mess.....
Having exactly the same when using it in Komplete Kontrol. Can't save a thing with normal naming. Only the letters q and w are somehow working, deleting letters via backspace or delete also doesn't work. Otherwise when using other letters it triggers my custom keybindings in Cubase which should not happen when you try to name a preset.

When I use it just as instrument track outside of Komplete Kontrol the naming works better, though not 100% correctly.
 

Alex Fraser

Senior Member
Salty thread!
Played with the demo. It’s a beautifully designed synth and the fact you can increase the gui size is a big win.

On the AVX thing. I must admit it took me by surprise. But I’ll happily hold my hand up and confess I never bothered to read the product info pages in detail. My ancient 2011 iMac (just) meets the AVX requirements. I’m with ED. 8 years is fair.

I'm not of the opinion that NI "pulled a fast one." I bet their pool of 5,1 users is vanishingly small. Also, even if they'd splashed the requirement in rainbow letters on the front page - how many people even know what AVX is? I didn't know it was a thing until 5 minutes ago.
 
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JEPA

Senior Member
8 years is fair but as company you have to be CLEAR at the front page, so like when you have a library and its NOT KONTAKT PLAYER, all companies state this BIG on the first page.
Luckily me (5.1) I didn't pulled the trigger and passed on the update that brings me nothing interesting more than Massive X AVX... Although I can use it on my MacBook but that's a personal one.
 

Carl W

New Member
Having exactly the same when using it in Komplete Kontrol. Can't save a thing with normal naming. Only the letters q and w are somehow working, deleting letters via backspace or delete also doesn't work. Otherwise when using other letters it triggers my custom keybindings in Cubase which should not happen when you try to name a preset.

When I use it just as instrument track outside of Komplete Kontrol the naming works better, though not 100% correctly.
Maybe send a question to NI?
 

Carl W

New Member
8 years is fair but as company you have to be CLEAR at the front page, so like when you have a library and its NOT KONTAKT PLAYER, all companies state this BIG on the first page.
Luckily me (5.1) I didn't pulled the trigger and passed on the update that brings me nothing interesting more than Massive X AVX... Although I can use it on my MacBook but that's a personal one.
Not completely correct, Novo essentials does not work with Kontakt 5, you need 6, it's in the requirements, not on the front page :) https://heavyocity.com/product/novo-essentials/
 

Andrew Souter

Active Member
No, there were a few already. The Legend, Fathom, 2caudio's reverbs, UVI Plate...

It better become a trend, AVX has existed for 8 years now (and even got expanded twice already, to AVX2 and AVX-512 being most recent) and it can significantly reduce the CPU load for certain heavy DSP operations that would take more CPU with just SSE used...
Just a small correction: all our plug-ins include SSE versions. Our two newest products (Breeze 2 and Precedence) offer:

SSE
AVX1
AVX2
AVX512

Aether, B2, and Kaleidoscope currently offer:

SSE
AVX1
AVX2

And we hope to add AVX-512 support to them in the future.
 

gsilbers

Part of Pulsesetter-Sounds.com
yeah.. that AVX crap is a pita. its a developers basically saying: 101000101010010010101010
to musicians/users and them having to figure out what it is. I had no idea of avx. and i think most users also don't give a craps ass. i think i saw some info on the threads on forums when 1st released with a lot of other info. i got the komplete 12 upgrade just so i could get massive x. and this little pieace of very important info, kinda of was left out (or not mentioned in a meaning way) which felt more like lying through omission from the very tiny bit of info and upfront marketing. very sour taste now w NI. So yeah.. make it AVX if they want but also have a normal version.
But sure , how about releasing the next kontakt 6 update that only works w a specific cpu from amd and not mention it. just have poeple say it will be much better, computationallly a miracle when all it is is a synth/sampler.
 

DerGeist

Active Member
I think it sounds great and once I get my head around it I think I will use it a lot, until the new Zebra comes out :)

I am a bit baffled about the lack of midi learn. Sure its a beast that you could never totally map but I do like to map common parameters to my midi controller. If someone wants to tell me that its there and I have just missed it I will be thrilled. As it is now its a bit liited as a performance synth. Probably works great with Komplete Kontrol but I have no plans to go that direction.

It would have been great if the coloured lines around knobs for modulation moved with the modulation. I'm pretty sure Razor does this, it seems like a step backward not to have it included in Massive X.
 

GuitarG

Giscard Rasquin
I think it sounds great and once I get my head around it I think I will use it a lot, until the new Zebra comes out :)

I am a bit baffled about the lack of midi learn. Sure its a beast that you could never totally map but I do like to map common parameters to my midi controller. If someone wants to tell me that its there and I have just missed it I will be thrilled. As it is now its a bit liited as a performance synth. Probably works great with Komplete Kontrol but I have no plans to go that direction.

It would have been great if the coloured lines around knobs for modulation moved with the modulation. I'm pretty sure Razor does this, it seems like a step backward not to have it included in Massive X.
I thought it was me having a brainfart, but I also can’t seem to map my external controller knobs to the Massive X makro knobs. So this is not possible anymore?
 
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