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Making my 1st VEP Server Unit PC... any suggestions? :)

Gaurav Raina

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Hi guys, trying to shift to a VEP server based system at my studio to score some tv stuff.

My client machine is Logic on a Mac Pro.

Any suggestions what to look out for?

I dont have such a great budget, so would like to know which components take priority... RAM v/s CPU v/s MB etc etc...

Anything will really help :)

Thanks
 

Ben

VSL Support
Hi, here are my 2ct: get a good CPU, buy a descent mainboard. and get more RAM then you know you will need. And don't stick with the system defaults: Disable all power-saving features in the OS and the Bios (there is a great thread here about optimizing your rig).
CPU best price/performance is at the moment the i5 9600k, but if you have the money go for the i9 9900k. Pair it with a z370/z390 chipset.
Go for 32 GB DDR4 RAM or more.
 
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Gaurav Raina

Gaurav Raina

New Member
Hi, here are my 2ct: get a good CPU, buy a descent mainboard. and get more RAM then you know you will need. And don't stick with the system defaults: Disable all power-saving features in the OS and the Bios (there is a great thread here about optimizing your rig).
CPU best price/performance is at the moment the i5 9600k, but if you have the money go for the i9 9900k. Pair it with a z370/z390 chipset.
Go for 32 GB DDR4 RAM or more.
Thank You Ben. Your advice is so helpful, :)
I will definitely take your advice and come back with more questions if i need.
Best,
G
 
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Gaurav Raina

Gaurav Raina

New Member
Hi
cannot find your post on Tips and if any posts on optimising windows for the server?
Thank you
G
 

dtcomposer

Active Member
The only thing I'd add is that depending on the libraries you might really want to go with SSD's. Maybe even more than CPU it will improve the performance of your libraries and allow you to load less into ram if you are using Kontakt. The difference between the amount of RAM you use loading at stock settings or sliding it down as low as it goes is pretty significant with bigger orchestral libraries. Obviously get the best CPU you can afford, but don't waste that power on an older mechanical drive that will make you use more ram and generally drive you nuts when you get it under load.
 

Ben

VSL Support
Slower RAM will work just fine, and you can save a lot of money. The i9 9900k officialy supports RAM up to DDR4-2666; it will work with most higher clocked RAM, but may not use its full potential. DDR4-2800 is cheaper, but provides enough speed imo.

The mainboard is ok, but you can get the same feature set for ~30-50$ cheaper.

For SSD: personally I prefere Samsung SSDs for their performance for a little higher price. At the moment I would get the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS (NVMe) and for SATA SSD the 860 EVO.
 
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Gaurav Raina

Gaurav Raina

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For SSD: personally I prefer Samsung SSDs for their performance for a little higher price. At the moment I would get the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS (NVMe) and for SATA SSD the 860 EVO.
How is the WD Blue 1TB M.2 SSD or Transcend 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen3x4 M.2
Are they any good comparatively? Much cheaper too :grin:
 

Ben

VSL Support
@Gaurav Raina: The WD Blue 1TB M.2 SSD is just a normal SATA SSD (not a NVMe) using the M.2 connection. Make sure your mainboard supports SATA on the M.2 connection. Also the Samsung 860 Evo is also a SATA SSD and cost even less (and Samsung has more experience with SSDs).

The Transcend 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen3x4 M.2 MTE220S looks good to me (make sure to get the version with build in DRAM cache, or else it will have not so great read/write performance). Still it is a little slower then the Samsung 970 Evo PLUS, but if you can get it significant cheaper, why not (personaly I have no experience with Transcend drives).

@0cme: Yes, the HP NVMe looks good. Costs around the same (for me) with similar performance.

General rule for all kinds of SSDs: A SSD needs ~10% free space to work as expected and it also helps that the SSD wears down more even.
 

Ben

VSL Support
Thanks Ben. I couldn't find much 2800 ram but 3000 seems just as cheap, and I swapped to a more basic Gigabyte board. Saved $100.
Also make sure to tune your system in Windows and the BIOS to get the most out of it. After tweaking my system I could almost double the audio load or lower my interface latency. There is a good thread here about how to tune your system.
 
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Gaurav Raina

Gaurav Raina

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@Gaurav Raina: The WD Blue 1TB M.2 SSD is just a normal SATA SSD (not a NVMe) using the M.2 connection. Make sure your mainboard supports SATA on the M.2 connection. Also the Samsung 860 Evo is also a SATA SSD and cost even less (and Samsung has more experience with SSDs).

The Transcend 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen3x4 M.2 MTE220S looks good to me (make sure to get the version with build in DRAM cache, or else it will have not so great read/write performance). Still it is a little slower then the Samsung 970 Evo PLUS, but if you can get it significant cheaper, why not (personaly I have no experience with Transcend drives).

@0cme: Yes, the HP NVMe looks good. Costs around the same (for me) with similar performance.

General rule for all kinds of SSDs: A SSD needs ~10% free space to work as expected and it also helps that the SSD wears down more even.
Thank you Ben :)

I will try and find the Thread on Tuning my PC Bios and Windows also.
 
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Gaurav Raina

Gaurav Raina

New Member
Here's the config i've been suggested. Is this good?

Audio Server

1. CPU - Intel i9 9900X (9th Gen. - 10 Cores, 20 threads)

2. Motherboard - Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro (this board has 8 DIMM slots)

3. Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR4 x 4 = 64GB

4. CoolerMaster Cabinet - 590R3

5. Power Supply - Corsair CX750

6. Cooling Fan - Corsair H100X (liquid cooling)

7. Hard Drive SATA - Samsung 860 EVO 500GB SSD (I already have an M2 NVME 1TB drive i will install in this)

8. Windows 10 pro

I think i need a Graphics card with this board also. I guess Nvidia is not recommended right?
:)
Gaurav
 

bradleybboone

New Member
Intel i9 9900X
No integrated graphics on the X series chip. You’re right you’ll need a dedicated graphics card. NVidia (which I have) has driver/latency issues, I can’t speak to AMD. I disable NVidia when doing audio and run off the integrated Intel chip, but that won’t be an option on the 9900X.
 

Damarus

Active Member
No integrated graphics on the X series chip. You’re right you’ll need a dedicated graphics card. NVidia (which I have) has driver/latency issues, I can’t speak to AMD. I disable NVidia when doing audio and run off the integrated Intel chip, but that won’t be an option on the 9900X.
Yeah you're right. Read that as 9900k..
 

dzilizzi

I know nothing
General rule for all kinds of SSDs: A SSD needs ~10% free space to work as expected and it also helps that the SSD wears down more even.
I know this is true for disks that are read/write, but is this necessary for sample read only drives? This has been a question I've had as to how full I can go on sample drives.

On another note, the QVO drives are less expensive because they have a slower write speed. However, their read speed is the same as EVO. Since sample drives only care about read speed once the samples are there, it's a good way to save a bit.
 
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