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Phil81

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The only thing I have to solve with my new machine, which I believe won't be much of an issue, will be to find an adequate low-power 4k discrete GPU because my MOBO's iGPU (MSI Z390a Pro w/ Intel UHD630) uses a LOT of CPU resources when a lot of plugins are showing on screen. I've set my 4k monitor to 1920x1080 for now to relieve some of that strain, but boy that looks ugly! I'm used to retina. :(
 

Shad0wLandsUK

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Windows forever on (3) capable desktop PC(s). Latest v1903 and all is well. Would have tried OSX long ago, but decision to scrap 'mid-range' MAC desktops ended that. Never use laptops, not interested in iMac style, Pro is way pricey for my home studio needs.
OBTW …. tiny bias as career hp guy ;)

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to say … OP not 'weird' from where I sit !
Have you got the insider build there @sostenuto ?
 

Pictus

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The only thing I have to solve with my new machine, which I believe won't be much of an issue, will be to find an adequate low-power 4k discrete GPU because my MOBO's iGPU (MSI Z390a Pro w/ Intel UHD630) uses a LOT of CPU resources when a lot of plugins are showing on screen. I've set my 4k monitor to 1920x1080 for now to relieve some of that strain, but boy that looks ugly! I'm used to retina. :(
Any AMD series RX 500 will be ok.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GLTrxr/sapphire-radeon-rx-550-4gb-pulse-video-card-11268-01-20g

Why AMD https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1212416-dpc-latency-better-amd-graphic-cards-3-card-comparison.html

BTW, some good stuff for your Windows PC:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
https://www.oo-software.com/en/ooappbuster
https://www.binisoft.org/wfc.php
https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/
https://www.coderbag.com/product/quickcpu?fw=upd
 
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Phil81

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I'm probably going for the AMD RX 560 but I'm waiting for an Ableton software update to see if they fix their ridiculously high GPU needs. I don't have an issue with any other DAW.


I don't go online except to download software/plugins so I'm all sorted there. Thanks though! :)
 

lpuser

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except it won't since I have Win 10 Pro and turn off automatic updates.
Not by default, but you can manually deactivate both related services. However Microsoft does still publicly write on their support pages that W10 downloads (security downloads) are automatically happening. Most likely not many users are happy to temper with the services.
And once you decide to run an update at a later time, it can well be that everything starts from scratch - not to speak of how often Windows 10 updates did (in the past) shatter important functions such as AD connectivity etc.

IMO there should be an easy way around it without messing with the services, just like in OS X.
 
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Phil81

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Not by default, but you can manually deactivate both related services. However Microsoft does still publicly write on their support pages that W10 downloads (security downloads) are automatically happening. Most likely not many users are happy to temper with the services.
And once you decide to run an update at a later time, it can well be that everything starts from scratch - not to speak of how often Windows 10 updates did (in the past) shatter important functions such as AD connectivity etc.

IMO there should be an easy way around it without messing with the services, just like in OS X.
It's actually pretty simple in Win 10 Pro. There's a setting to shut automatic updates. It's pretty clear. So far so good on my end, but if I spot sneaky updates later on, I'll let you know.

I just can't stand Apple's computer BS (T2 chip, Mojave, cheap-specs/high-price, and the list goes on). Can't do it anymore.
 

shomynik

Active Member
Yes … on all (3) Desktop PC(s). Have been soundly criticized for this, but seldom experience issues and none severe.
Pro Insider since early days. Now on Build 18875.rs_prerelease.
Woa, that's brave man.

I went a completely opposite route, LTSB version with delayed updates/features. Got burned two times with forced updates on a regular Pro v.

I love LTSB so far, 0% instabillity. The only, rather unfortunate, thing is that the upcoming big update lifts FLS limit on windows which will enable cubase to load lot more different plugins, and that will be delayed for me too :crying: I like trying out different plugins and I'm hitting this limit fairly often.
 
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TomislavEP

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Where I come from, Macs are extremely rarely seen commodity, so I've embraced Windows ever since I've gotten my very first PC whilst still in school, running Windows 98. Over the years, I've built quite a few PC configurations for my needs, including my DAW. Currently I'm running the latest version on Windows 10 Home on my three computers, and I must say that I haven't experienced much of the serious issues that afflicted quite a few people when installing new updates and the newer versions of the OS. (Let's just say I've got lucky). ;)

I would even dare to agree with the notion that Windows 10 is the best OS from Microsoft so far, but it also comes with a great deal of annoyances, especially in the privacy department, included bloatware, and not to mention issues related with the new updates. Fortunately, it is also quite customizable and it's always somewhat possible to disable, remove and fix these problems. Still, I hope things will be better and better with every upcoming version, although the bad experiences of many users speak otherwise.
 
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Phil81

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Where I come from, Macs are extremely rarely seen commodity, so I've embraced Windows ever since I've gotten my very first PC whilst still in school, running Windows 98. Over the years, I've built quite a few PC configurations for my needs, including my DAW. Currently I'm running the latest version on Windows 10 Home on my three computers, and I must say that I haven't experienced much of the serious issues that afflicted quite a few people when installing new updates and the newer versions of the OS. (Let's just say I've got lucky). ;)

I would even dare to agree with the notion that Windows 10 is the best OS from Microsoft so far, but it also comes with a great deal of annoyances, especially in the privacy department, included bloatware, and not to mention issues related with the new updates. Fortunately, it is also quite customizable and it's always somewhat possible to disable, remove and fix these problems. Still, I hope things will be better and better with every upcoming version, although the bad experiences of many users speak otherwise.
So far my experience has been great except when I load up a cubase template with VEP plugins on in the rack (while my slave computer is off) and the computer just simply restarts after a few seconds. I know it's a pointless test, but I have a mild OCD when it comes to computers, lol. When the slave is on with the VEP template up and running, I fire up Cubase 10's template successfully. Not sure if it's a software bug or hardware failure but I'll dig in deeper. I've sent a message to VSL to see what the issue could be.
 

lpuser

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It's actually pretty simple in Win 10 Pro.
Well, I appreciate your input, however there are plenty of discussions on answers.microsoft.com where people clearly state that all these options do not work on a permanent basis and several updates broken them. I won´t investigate further, but at least it does not seem to be so simply in the real world, given that I have also spoken to some software developers who are writing windows protection apps (10 million+ licenses) and even they have a hard time getting this right ...
 

cmillar

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I've been on Macs for 30 years, but will switch over to PC in the near future.

My reasons:
- I don't have 'money to burn' to buy Apple hardware
- if my 2009 MacPro and 2011 MacBook Pro keep working, I'm happy
- ..but... I'm stuck on OSX El Capitan 10.11.6...which is working fine and all is well and stable
- I use MOTU DP, and can't upgrade unless I get a Mac which can handle the more current OSX (..yes I could upgrade my MacPro processors, but.... for how long would that fix last for?)
- I use Finale, or Sibelius, and same thing...can't upgrade anymore... but they work great right now

So:
- MOTU DP will run on Windows 10 Pro
- Finale will run on Windows 10 Pro
- Ableton Live and Reaper still run on older Mac OSX and on Windows as well

If my music software will don what I need to do on a Windows 10 machine (and hopefully Windows 10 will be around for years, or Microsoft will have legacy support for years and years) then I'll gladly save a ton of money and buy a Windows system (probably even used and upgradeable!) and get out of the 'Apple universe' where the emphasis is mostly on....who knows what's in store?)

As I see it, I hated previous Windows versions when I had to do something on a PC computer..I felt like a total idiot!....couldn't even figure out how to turn it off or even find anything!

But, Windows 10 looks great for music use, and other stuff as needed. I'll gladly switch over when I get it all straight in my head and figure out what I need and don't need.

Microsoft should just keep focusing on the fact that people don't have 'money to burn' around the world, and that most people's computer needs are very basic. In fact, much of the world just wants to get on the internet....and used PC laptops and desktops are in abundance.

Avoid the landfills, keep the Earth healthy, and recycle and use the technology!
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Not a fan of Micro$oft, they always con users into upgrading, then every time we see features like the 4GB Switch for 32bit they claimed would never come that actually turned out to be 8GBs for 32 bit apps, then XP to 7 scams, 7 to 8.1 because only it would support NVMe, then that was added to 7.

However, I’ve always had 100% stability as a live performer, so I pay while I whine.
Swore I’d never use 10 but I had a Top Shelf builder with an impressive client list in Film and Recording build mine, and Windows 10 is fantastic, very fast, and if you let Avast or some other really pro level protection developer work with 10 you get impressive results.

I actually watched Windows update at the prescribed time, Avast sent me an alert on my watch, then read the email. I went downstairs and watched the entire upgrade.

CPUs are so fast now I can run Acronis, Avast and my hardware diagnosis app 24/7 with my various rigs.

I just upgraded everything to 10.
6 machines, 3 for audio.
Happy Camper.
 

sonicviz

New Member
I use both Mac and PC but prefer Win 10 for the bulk of my audio/music production (and live performance streaming). I use a homebuilt Ryzen 1700 OC to 3.8ghz w/ 32gb Ram @ 2666, might upgrade it to a Ryzen 3000 when they are released later this year for a boost.

Short cut from a streaming live gig last weekend
https://hearthis.at/sonicviz/komusoyougottomove13042019sl/
 
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LFO

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Haven't read the thread, but thought I would contribute my experience.

I'm one of those people who is loathe to leave a Windows version that I like. I jumped to Windows 10 a couple of months ago with gritted teeth. I didn't want to, Win7 was running just fine, but I built a new system and using Win7, especially drier wise, made no sense. So I took the plunge.

I couldn't be happier. Win10 has been rock solid, more efficient, and was easy to adapt to. Programs that required fully removing them from memory by using task manager now close just fine. USB connectivity has improved, plugged in devices are recognized both quickly and consistently.

While mileage can vary with Windows from user to user. I am convinced if you take some time to do research to carefully choose hardware that will provide the most stability and compatibility you won't have many issues. At least that has been my experience.
 

kitekrazy

Senior Member
Windows still has great legacy support. I'm still running M-Audio PCI cards. I must also give M-Audio some kudos for legacy drivers still work and their PCI cards have no issues with recent motherboards.
 

DerGeist

Active Member
I have to admit that as long it is stable I have no real preference for OS. I'm on windows 10 now but have used OSX in the past. Since my DAW is really the only thing I use this computer for the OS features don't make much difference to me. Now really is a great time to run any OS. If Ableton made a bare metal version I would just get that :)

I don wish windows would allow sound card aggregation.
 

jon wayne

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I have to admit that as long it is stable I have no real preference for OS. I'm on windows 10 now but have used OSX in the past. Since my DAW is really the only thing I use this computer for the OS features don't make much difference to me. Now really is a great time to run any OS. If Ableton made a bare metal version I would just get that :)

I don wish windows would allow sound card aggregation.
I run Mac as master and pc as slave. On paper, my pc is fast and reliable enough, but when I fire it up, the Windows environment bores me to tears. I have found ways to keep my Mac Pro up to date without spending a fortune because I enjoy the experience.
 

GtrString

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I could endure Windows up untill they started with Windows Vista, that was it for me.. love win 10? not a chance.. this must be the only thread with that theme on all internets
 
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