Looking for a good legato piano

Phryq

AlbertMcKay.com
Also, some legato percussion would be nice as well, portamento, slured, rebow and tongued, hammer-ons and pull-offs.

Plus the usual, phase-aligned velocity layers, articulation morphing (also phase align it), and syllable mapping, or at least "oo" and "ah".

If the piano can auto-pure tune according to hamronies played by all tracks in my template, that would be a bonus, or even better if I can quantize pitch according to the snare-drum overtones.

Preferably free, recorded in an anechoic chamber in stereo and denoised.
 

Seycara

Member
Legato piano? I don't know of any VST that has a "legato" script for piano because by nature each keystroke is independent. However if you really want a legato piano, try using the ewqlso piano with the artificial legato script :)
 
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Phryq

Phryq

AlbertMcKay.com
Artificial? I hate artificial.

Btw, I also need vibrato with full speed / amplitude control.
 

Seycara

Member
Artificial? I hate artificial.

Btw, I also need vibrato with full speed / amplitude control.
Gotcha, I think what we can do here is to construct a custom instrument. I think the first design concept that we should get to is designing a legato hammer mechanism that allows one stroke to strike multiple strings in a fluid motion, possibly assisted by an automated, computer controlled hydraulics system. Then we need to implement miniature vibraphone motors on every single string so that we have full control over the vibrato. Then, we'll sample the instrument chromatically (100 keys extended range of course) with 127 velocity layers, pedal up/down, with 42 different vibrato levels. It should also be from so many mic positions that it'll put OT x 2 to shame. PM me if interested.
 
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Phryq

Phryq

AlbertMcKay.com
Thanks. Is it possible to get 128 velocity layers? I really can't stand hearing the jump from ppppppppp to pppppppp.

As for mic positions I need

Stereo Magnetic pickups 1mm away
Stereo Magnetic pickups 1cm away
Stereo Magnetic pickups 1" away
Contact Pickups on each section of the piano
Stereo mics 1cm away
Stereo mics 1" away
Stereo mics 2" away
Stereo mics 3" away etc. up to
Piezo pickups on each part of the body.
Surround mics 50m away. (Will need to build a giant anechoic chamber).
Dummy head / binaural from multiple perspectives.
Human-ear + EEG ->AD converter.

Please phase lock all mic positions so that we can blend seamlessly.

Also, no fake sympathetic resonance, instead, we should sample each note with all variations of other keys held down silently, in order to capture the resonances of every possible chord.

Please use a 10 meter grand, with notes that can sustain for at least 100 seconds. An option for a natural-indefinate sustain as well.

All microphones should have a completely flat frequency response from 1Hz to 22k. In order to achieve this please build a custom multi-diaphram combo mic (with small, and large condensor diaphrams, as well as dynamic pickups and ribbons. Use EV's Variable-D tech) with specialized software that can analyze all recorded information and combine it into a single perfectly neutral recording).

Also, sample 128 pedal-gradient layers from pedal all the way down, to pedal all the way up. Do this for all pedals, and again everything phase aligned, then script it so I can make gradual changes to any pedal in combination with any other pedal and it will x-fade seamlessly.
 
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Thanks. Is it possible to get 128 velocity layers? I really can't stand hearing the jump from ppppppppp to pppppppp.
Why stop at 128? I'd say go for at least 1024 velocity layers, combined with an interpolation engine that does a lookahead to calculate the probable rate of the change of CC#1 and spreads it out over multiple, distinct, cross-faded samples during the time it determines is likely to pass before the next numeric change in the control.
 

manuhz

Member
In the XXXL+ category maybe the VSL Imperial...but it has only 100 dynamic layers and no legato transitions ;)
 
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Phryq

Phryq

AlbertMcKay.com
Also, if you can do this for an entire orchestra, and include inter-instrument sympathetic resonance, in order to capture the way the instruments vibrate each other, and include legato samples from one instrument to another (so if I play A# on the piano, and then john plays C# on thr trombone, there will be a natural legato transition between our notes. Whether the transition is a trombone slide, piano hammer-slide, or something else can be determined by CC 972.
 

tack

Damned Dirty Ape
Also, no fake sympathetic resonance, instead, we should sample each note with all variations of other keys held down silently, in order to capture the resonances of every possible chord.
Which, if my math is right, would be 128*88! or 23741778208947000206693996242629924400668284025523116375605962366321863959555609512844818079334976234037329090156953600000000000000000000 samples.

Hopefully they remember to use NCW compression.
 
Which, if my math is right, would be 128*88! or 23741778208947000206693996242629924400668284025523116375605962366321863959555609512844818079334976234037329090156953600000000000000000000 samples.

Hopefully they remember to use NCW compression.
So somewhere around 2^135. Whereas the number of atoms in the observable universe is around 4^80th. So the library's size would be equal to the number of atoms in the known universe times 1^55, or 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

Now THAT is a sample library. Hmm ... maybe our whole universe is just one velocity layer of one sample in a much larger universe's sample library ... I feel more musical already.
 

airflamesred

The crumpet man's thinker
How on earth do you folks get away with 'Math'?
I don't want to get bogged down in statistics here but '1' could be construed as math. The numbers that are getting bandied around in this thread surely moves it into the plural - Maths!
 

tack

Damned Dirty Ape
The numbers that are getting bandied around in this thread surely moves it into the plural - Maths!
I do like to make it easy to tell I'm from North America. Although, since we're on the subject of pronunciation and math(s), judging by the number of Brits who mispronounce the word sixth (as, oddly, "sickth"), it couldn't hurt to relocate the s from maths to sixth.