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Logic, VEP6 Multi, single Kontakt with multiple instruments

Soundhound

Senior Member
A question for template gurus maybe? For a few different purposes (string sections sometimes, layering percussion, etc.) I find myself using a VEP multi with a single Kontakt instance in the first channel with several instruments in it, then adding as many buses in the VEP multi as needed, and bringing them back on their own channels in Logic.

Seems to work well and saves ram from loading all those kontakt instances, but it goes against the one instrument per kontakt instance in VEP that many people swear to.

Anyone familiar with the difference in cpu hit/managemnt etc. between the two approaches, know of any pitfalls to look out for? Give the instance more threads... etc.?

Thanks.
 

A.G

Active Member
A question for template gurus maybe?
I am not a guru, but I want to inform you that I have developed a special product which will offer up to 1024 MIDI channels access per a single VEP instance via a Logic Channel Strip without using AU3 or any Environment CC99. My new development is super optimized and will allow you to access all Kontakt ports ABCD (64 Ch.) via a Logic instrument track, and load up to 16 Kontakt instances (64 Ch.) per VEP Instance. No VEP multi ports are needed.
The new AG system will open new doors... Stay tuned, I hope that we will release AG VEPro Multi Instance in too weeks.
 
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animatione

New Member
This is very interesting and necessary because up to this day VEP supports only AU2 Plugin making it impossible to use all multichannel when you use Logic and VEP. It would be good to have more than 16 MIDI channels. How will it be done?
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
Logic itself will still choke if you try to send too many simultaneous midi events through a single logic channel in order to get to the single vep instance. I will be curious to see what Ivan came up with though
 
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A.G

Active Member
I will be curious to see what Ivan came up with though
I developed that back in 2017 and provided the Beta to several worldwide composers to test. They confirm that my system is rock so I will be happy to make it public knowledge.
I am in contact with VSL team who help me a lot, so this will be a good product I guess. Do not worry Steve, I do not make mistakes...
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
I was not implying that you made any mistakes. But logic is still constrained to how many simultaneous midi events it can handle through a single channel. Still interested to see what you did.
 

A.G

Active Member
But logic is still constrained to how many simultaneous midi events it can handle through a single channel.
Could you outline your concept, researches, tests, results etc about your theory?
I'm very interested.
 

Mason

Active Member
I developed that back in 2017 and provided the Beta to several worldwide composers to test. They confirm that my system is rock so I will be happy to make it public knowledge.
I am in contact with VSL team who help me a lot, so this will be a good product I guess. Do not worry Steve, I do not make mistakes...
Very interesting indeed. So it means they don't have any intentions of supporting AU3 themselves?
 

animatione

New Member
Very interesting indeed. So it means they don't have any intentions of supporting AU3 themselves?
They are not saying anything, but I hope they will. Although if not I am sure the best solution for now comes from the Audiogrocery. If there is no AU3 update from Vienna, I at least hope to have more MIDI Channels...
 

Mason

Active Member
They are not saying anything, but I hope they will. Although if not I am sure the best solution for now comes from the Audiogrocery. If there is no AU3 update from Vienna, I at least hope to have more MIDI Channels...
Since Audiogrocery gets help from Vienna to create this plugin to use multi ports in Logic, it means they have no plans for AU3, or?
 
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Soundhound

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Thanks all! Anyone with current experience/pov regarding running (in Logic) single kontakt instances with multiple channels out of VEP multis vs a kontakt instance/instrument per channel in VEP multichannel instance? I'm doing both at the moment, and wondering if anyone has any words to the wise?
 

garyhiebner

Active Member
Yeah I use single instruments. My machine got all choked up with multitimbral instruments. And also you can freeze a multitimbral instruments. Which I find quite handy to freeze the instruments tracks to save up on resources when needed.
 
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Soundhound

Senior Member
I can get by with a fair amount, but need to run a lot in VEP these days to keep cpu hungry instruments under control. Would love to not have to run VEP, I find it kind of a pita. But I'll be needing the Elon Musk model of the new mac pro to keep that dream alive at this point.


I do whatever's convenient and worry later. My system isn't gagging.
 

A.G

Active Member
Since Audiogrocery gets help from Vienna to create this plugin to use multi ports in Logic, it means they have no plans for AU3, or?
Audio Grocery gets only VSL technical info about a given product development. We prefer to stay away of the major VSL developments. We can do our best regarding the Articulation systems cooperation and wish to VSL a Good luck in their own developments!
 
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Shad0wLandsUK

Senior Member
I still use the Multi-Intrument track with the Event Plugin personally. Then again I have not been able to make huge templates and don't really work on projects as work takes all my time up. Spend more time learning IT and being good at my job than composing anuything at all these days, but hey maybe the future will change. So just a hobbyist for now. I tend to spend time on the multi-port scenarios and other questions relating to technical usage of DAWs since it fits into the same headspace as my Applications Support and Infrastructure Role for work ;)
 

Wolfie2112

Senior Member
It would be good to have more than 16 MIDI channels
You will never get more than 16 from a single instance of a VI. What we need is the ability to route each instrument back to Logic on its own audio channel, like you can with the VST3 version.
 

Nick Batzdorf

Moderator
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You will never get more than 16 from a single instance of a VI. What we need is the ability to route each instrument back to Logic on its own audio channel, like you can with the VST3 version.
I don't understand. Multitimbral VE Pros have 16 of them.
 

Nick Batzdorf

Moderator
Moderator
Unfortunately in Logic you can only come back as a stereo pair, in VST3 you can assign each MIDI channel it's own audio channel.
1. Use the multi-output VE Pro plug-in (on the first of a multi-timbral Instrument track).


2. VE Pro has separate outputs. I'm showing the Master Bus, but each instrument track is the same.


3. Each time you click the + you get another fader for an additional output pair coming back from VE Pro.
 

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