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Banquet

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Thanks for the review. I bought the Studio Orchestra Core package in the Spring Sale and watched your reviews of the strings, woodwinds and brass with interest...

In the case of the Brass, it looks like I'm back to finding enough HD space for Cinematic Studio Brass, which it seems like I should have bought in the first place.
 
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Cory Pelizzari

Cory Pelizzari

(Solonoid Studio)
Thanks for the review. I bought the Studio Orchestra Core package in the Spring Sale and watched your reviews of the strings, woodwinds and brass with interest...

In the case of the Brass, it looks like I'm back to finding enough HD space for Cinematic Studio Brass, which it seems like I should have bought in the first place.
At least the strings and woodwinds were worth it buying the package.
 

Banquet

Member
At least the strings and woodwinds were worth it buying the package.
Yes, that's true. I almost didn't bother with the Strings as I have CS2, but having seen your review, and because they were almost down to 50% off with the collection discount, I bought them and love them. The woodwinds also seem nice, but I suspect, if I get CSB, I'll also want Alex's woodwind library, which means I'll have to start deleting stuff off my HD. (at some point I'll upgrade the HD, but I think a 1TB internal SSD will cost close to £1000, so that will have to wait a bit.
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
I'm not experiencing the inconsistencies (whether legato or anything else) you mention in the video, but then I've obviously taken much more time with this library than you have (admittedly, mostly with the Professional version).

I should also mention, the close mics in Pro do one hell of a lot in helping to cut through the mix; many folks here already know that the Decca mic is kind of a rip off in the Core library (I'm close to positing that in regard to the woodwinds, though they come across better in the latter overall imo).

I'm sorry, and I do respect your skills, however this video only proves to me that you spent more time making your custom patches than really exploring the capabilities of this library.

The most helpful part of this video by far was the disclaimer that you were in a hurry to finish it.

Don't listen to this video, this is a fine library.

Sorry, man. I never expected any sort of rush job from such a knowledgeable and talented member. I think we all could have benefitted from more care here...I can't imagine anyone was in a hurry for something as overall impatient (and thus inaccurate) as this video.

The fact that he made some excellent-sounding patches from the library (whether he inordinately dicked around with its innards or not) provide further testimony to the how good the lib in fact is. You can't squeeze blood from a stone.

For a library he announces before hand can't be bothered with, he accomplished seriously cool things with it...just listen to his patches. Whatever he "bothered" to put into it paid off...and that's because it's a really good library to begin with. So, being that the Core is decidedly inferior overall to the Studio well gee I guess he could make a right astonishing set of custom patches out of the latter.


Suggestion: take your time and do it over again. The other reviews online are overall decidedly positive...which tells us something as well. This is the only voice of resounding dissent I've encountered from videos and reviews online...and I happen to respect a couple of them on a par with your average (which means I respect them quite a bit).

No offense meant, just surprise. I thought your woodwinds video for the series was very good (if not as good as the rest of your often quite excellent videos imo).
 
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chocobitz825

Senior Member
I'm not experiencing the inconsistencies, but then I've obviously taken much more time with this library than you have.

I should also mention, the close mics do one hell of a lot in helping to cut through the mix; many folks here already know that the Decca mics are kind of a rip off in the Core library.

I'm sorry, and I do respect your skills, however this video only proves to me that you spent more time making your custom patches than really exploring the capabilities of this library.

The most helpful part of this video by far was the disclaimer that you were in a hurry to finish it.

Don't listen to this video, this is a fine library.

Sorry, man. I never expected any sort of rush job from such a knowledgeable and talented member. I think we all could have benefitted from more care here...I can't imagine anyone was in a hurry for something as overall impatient (and thus inaccurate) as this video.

Suggestion: take your time and do it over again. The other reviews online are quite positive overall...which tells us something as well.

No offense meant, just surprise. I thought your woodwinds video for the series was very good (if not as good as the rest of your often quite excellent videos imo).

I think it might be fair to give more consideration to why its fine to skip this library. I too love it, and have found its place in my group of goto brass, but at the same time, we've had a lot of brass libraries come out at the same time. Modern Scoring Brass, Cinematic Studio Brass, Aaron Venture Infinite Brass, and i believe a handful of others...so perhaps thats why in context to the other libraries that came out around the same time...this one doesnt stand out as much as the others.
 

Banquet

Member
It seems there are only certain ssd drives that work properly with a MacBook Pro. When I tried to update ssd before I wanted 1tb and was quoted a couple hundred to fit but when I got laptop home there were errors, problems with sleep mode and closing lid, battery life tanked and other issues. I got onto IT company who fitted drive and after some research they said it needed certain type of ssd that is much more expensive to make use of features/tech the MacBook used. The price of 1tb went through roof to nearly £1k so I opted for 512gb instead which was cheaper but is, unfortunate now nearly full already!
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Out of ample respect for Cory's typical video excellence and obvious, marked amount of talent: I think the above video is accurate mostly in that it condemns the Core version of this library.

I would never, ever recommend the sole Decca mic for this, as the sound will most definitely be smooshed in a mix.

Though I stick by the fact that I haven't encountered the delays and other bumps in this library, I mostly have experience with the Pro version. I think the biggest mistake in the video is presuming things for the Pro version when he hasn't used it (let alone used the Core for any reasonable amount of time...much less for a video review).

I write this disclaimer because I don't want anyone getting the idea that Cory is anything less than a stellar programmer (and pretty much all the time quite the video guy).
 
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Cory Pelizzari

Cory Pelizzari

(Solonoid Studio)
Yes, that's true. I almost didn't bother with the Strings as I have CS2, but having seen your review, and because they were almost down to 50% off with the collection discount, I bought them and love them. The woodwinds also seem nice, but I suspect, if I get CSB, I'll also want Alex's woodwind library, which means I'll have to start deleting stuff off my HD. (at some point I'll upgrade the HD, but I think a 1TB internal SSD will cost close to £1000, so that will have to wait a bit.
I don't even use SSDs for my libraries, only for my boot drive. But I suppose that's because I have 7TB of libraries...
 
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Cory Pelizzari

Cory Pelizzari

(Solonoid Studio)
Out of ample respect for Cory's typical video excellence and obvious, marked amount of talent: I think the above video is accurate mostly in that it condemns the Core version of this library.

I would never, ever recommend the sole Decca mic for this, as the sound will most definitely be smooshed in a mix.

Though I stick by the fact that I haven't encountered the delays and other bumps in this library, I mostly have experience with the Pro version. I think the biggest mistake in the video is presuming things for the Pro version when he hasn't used it (let alone used the Core for any reasonable amount of time...much less for a video review).

I write this disclaimer because I don't want anyone getting the idea that Cory is anything less than a stellar programmer (and pretty much all the time quite the video guy).
You're right, the decca mic is bad for the brass in this library.
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
You're right, the decca mic is bad for the brass in this library.
I must reiterate how cool your programming skills are...your custom patches have kicked ass in every video I've seen. I just feel (from experiencing your past efforts) you are capable of soo much more.

To be perfectly, irritatingly repetitive once more: I have a lot of respect for your skills as a rule, Cory.
 
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Cory Pelizzari

Cory Pelizzari

(Solonoid Studio)
I'm not experiencing the inconsistencies (whether legato or anything else) you mention in the video, but then I've obviously taken much more time with this library than you have (admittedly, mostly with the Professional version).

I should also mention, the close mics in Pro do one hell of a lot in helping to cut through the mix; many folks here already know that the Decca mic is kind of a rip off in the Core library (I'm close to positing that in regard to the woodwinds, though they come across better in the latter overall imo).

I'm sorry, and I do respect your skills, however this video only proves to me that you spent more time making your custom patches than really exploring the capabilities of this library.

The most helpful part of this video by far was the disclaimer that you were in a hurry to finish it.

Don't listen to this video, this is a fine library.

Sorry, man. I never expected any sort of rush job from such a knowledgeable and talented member. I think we all could have benefitted from more care here...I can't imagine anyone was in a hurry for something as overall impatient (and thus inaccurate) as this video.

The fact that he made some excellent-sounding patches from the library (whether he inordinately dicked around with its innards or not) provide further testimony to the how good the lib in fact is. You can't squeeze blood from a stone.

For a library he announces before hand can't be bothered with, he accomplished seriously cool things with it...just listen to his patches. Whatever he "bothered" to put into it paid off...and that's because it's a really good library to begin with. So, being that the Core is decidedly inferior overall to the Studio well gee I guess he could make a right astonishing set of custom patches out of the latter.


Suggestion: take your time and do it over again. The other reviews online are overall decidedly positive...which tells us something as well. This is the only voice of resounding dissent I've encountered from videos and reviews online...and I happen to respect a couple of them on a par with your average (which means I respect them quite a bit).

No offense meant, just surprise. I thought your woodwinds video for the series was very good (if not as good as the rest of your often quite excellent videos imo).
Thanks for the support. I didn't "rush" testing the library though - I rushed to make the video and the patches. The legatos are clearly bad in the standard version - you can hear them for yourself and compare them to other brass libraries and the proof will be in the pudding. I think the point is that the core version isn't quite worth the $200 spent - especially when compared to the other two. If this library was released on its own, I think I would have had a better opinion of it, but the quality of the other two core libraries really killed my enjoyment of the brass to be honest. The truth is, I went through every single articulation patch and looked for different ways I could play the sounds, then saved my own personal bunch of patches that I would use in future work - but they were hard to optimise.
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Thanks for the support. I didn't "rush" testing the library though - I rushed to make the video and the patches. The legatos are clearly bad in the standard version - you can hear them for yourself and compare them to other brass libraries and the proof will be in the pudding. I think the point is that the core version isn't quite worth the $200 spent - especially when compared to the other two. If this library was released on its own, I think I would have had a better opinion of it, but the quality of the other two core libraries really killed my enjoyment of the brass to be honest. The truth is, I went through every single articulation patch and looked for different ways I could play the sounds, then saved my own personal bunch of patches that I would use in future work - but they were hard to optimise.
This explains things better. I do feel a bit askew in that I criticized a video that highlighted a version of the library that I personally didn't do too much with: the core version.

I do know enough about the Core versions of Brass and WWs to say that the WW Core is significantly better than the Brass...by miles.

I must say, I would go cuckoo to check out your take on the Pro Brass...in some ways it's a different library imo.
 
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Cory Pelizzari

Cory Pelizzari

(Solonoid Studio)
I must reiterate how cool your programming skills are...your custom patches have kicked ass in every video I've seen. I just feel (from experiencing your past efforts) you are capable of soo much more.

To be perfectly, irritatingly repetitive once more: I have a lot of respect for your skills as a rule, Cory.
You want to know what inspired me to start making custom patches? Afflatus. It's weird, but after I played the patches in that library with the different instrument combinations, it just clicked in my brain and I started thinking of what I could do in certain libraries to mimic ensemble performances like in Symphobia. I'm really happy that people have liked them so far and I want to really extend the value for money people get with libraries and hopefully inspire some cool playing using the multis. But gosh darn, you've made me blush now.
 
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Cory Pelizzari

Cory Pelizzari

(Solonoid Studio)
This explains things better. I do feel a bit askew in that I criticized a video that highlighted a version of the library that I personally didn't do too much with: the core version.

I do know enough about the Core versions of Brass and WWs to say that the WW Core is significantly better than the Brass...by miles.

I must say, I would go cuckoo to check out your take on the Pro Brass...in some ways it's a different library imo.
I've been seriously contemplating doing a pro version video for all three libraries... But I must be patient because my wallet isn't at a very high level.
 

Parsifal666

I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
You want to know what inspired me to start making custom patches? Afflatus. It's weird, but after I played the patches in that library with the different instrument combinations, it just clicked in my brain and I started thinking of what I could do in certain libraries to mimic ensemble performances like in Symphobia. I'm really happy that people have liked them so far and I want to really extend the value for money people get with libraries and hopefully inspire some cool playing using the multis. But gosh darn, you've made me blush now.
I had to be careful to give you earned accolades, because I in no way would even attempt to impugn your talents. I just didn't care for the video, the first one I didn't out of all of them.

Even if, at least according to your assessment of the Core version...you were often quite right.

(Tommy Lee Jones voice): "Skip the Core, grab the Pro, people."
 
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