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kitekrazy

Senior Member
Back to bringing this off topic. I watched a documentary on the group Chicago on Netlfix. There is another I think is called Hired Guns. One thing you learn is fame comes long before fortune.
 

Kony

Bad ape
I didn't say this at first, but the more this Chris guy goes on, the more he comes off as someone who is bitter about not having a music career and is trying to justify it to himself, while also pushing some political views/values. Killing two birds with one really weird and out-of-place stone.

Maybe that's inaccurate, but it just keeps reinforcing itself to me with every post.
He's also been making some neo-Nazi comments over in the politics threads - stuff about racial purity, mass deportations, anti-Israel comments etc - and admits to being a fascist.... So I'm not surprised about his attitude to women.
 

Jimmy Hellfire

Senior Member
He's also been making some neo-Nazi comments over in the politics threads - stuff about racial purity, mass deportations, anti-Israel comments etc - and admits to being a fascist.... So I'm not surprised about his attitude to women.
Wow. You're right. I just saw for myself. What a chump.
 

Chr!s

Active Member
I didn't say this at first, but the more this Chris guy goes on, the more he comes off as someone who is bitter about not having a music career and is trying to justify it to himself, while also pushing some political views/values. Killing two birds with one really weird and out-of-place stone.

Maybe that's inaccurate, but it just keeps reinforcing itself to me with every post.
Nah, I couldn't care less about music careers — it's just pathetic to see people giving others advice that can set them up for serious disappointment later in life and acting like it's no big deal just because they consider themselves an exception to the rule.

Living like that will turn you into Jimmy
 

Chr!s

Active Member
He's also been making some neo-Nazi comments over in the politics threads - stuff about racial purity, mass deportations, anti-Israel comments etc - and admits to being a fascist.... So I'm not surprised about his attitude to women.
You're a self-admitted communist. Your opinions aren't even worth shit.
 

StevenMcDonald

stevenmcdonaldmusic.com
He's also been making some neo-Nazi comments over in the politics threads - stuff about racial purity, mass deportations, anti-Israel comments etc - and admits to being a fascist.... So I'm not surprised about his attitude to women.
Ah, it all makes sense now :rofl:

Regardless of terrible "advice" from people with no actual experience, there's no reason not to give a music career an honest try. You just need to have a backup plan and understand it might not work out. We're all (mostly) adults here and can make the judgment for ourselves whether a music career or family is more important to us. And believe it or not, you can even have both, plus some cats. Chase the dream, just don't kill yourself over it. Listen to your body and mind.

As far as writing only what you want with music libraries, I believe it's alot less likely to make you a living than if you diversify and try to hit as many briefs/styles as you can while keeping a reasonable level of authenticity and production. But the fact that the OP has already mentioned communicating with his main publisher about the idea is a good sign. In my experience, libraries and music supervisors have been very appreciative of me communicating, and they'll usually tell you what has been selling so you can capitalize or avoid accordingly.
 

Paul Cardon

Ninja Otter Music
Buddy, you are the first on the "fuck the biz and being a corporate slave" train in every case. You were in this thread too, but your perpetual cognitive dissonance causes you to forget that and spurge out the second that some other thing for you to oppose shows up. Desire Inspires likened library writing to a prison as well, but even he turned tail on this in a flash too.



It's all been had within the first three pages. The biggest pitfall here is that OP's financial expectations on niche genres are unrealistic and there's no shortage of "who cares if you can potentially waste your prime years chasing a dream statistically unlikely to happen!" cheerleaders. It's absolutely a relevant discussion to have with young people pursuing music careers.

All the people who fail and the 45-year-old, clinically-depressed, forever-alone lawyers are "just numbers", but this is coming from the same liberal-minded people who'd care deeply about "just numbers" if this were about legalizing drugs, climate change, vaccinations, and the like. :rolleyes:
What are your suggestions for forum members or composers in general who are LGBT and don’t have the abilities to be in standard heterosexual relationships and bear children?
 

Chr!s

Active Member
What are your suggestions for forum members or composers in general who are LGBT and don’t have the abilities to be in standard heterosexual relationships and bear children?
The same suggestion I have for everyone: Seriously assess the risks.

Try not to let music take precedence over other people in your life, and once-in-a-lifetime opportunities. For example, if you've got money on to burn and you're trying to decide whether to spend it to travel to GDC or Gamescom in hopes of networking to land a job, or you could with your family, friends, SO on a cruise — take the cruise.

I've seen people quit six-figure jobs and health benefits to "get into music" despite no experience in it. I've seen guys on GoFundMe beg for money to pay their bills because music isn't working out and they won't work a normal job. I've seen people who are obviously very talented in some other field refuse to even try doing that even in the meantime, because they're afraid it will cut into any music career chances. I've seen people who wanted kids, put them off for a music career that never came to be, only to suffer the heartbreak of numerous failed pregnancies and the like at a late age, and becoming the "old people" at their kids' Christmas concerts.

and every time, I've watched forum users encourage them to take these huge risks anyway.

So that's what my advice: Don't stop trying with music, but for the love of god, please, please, know that the risks in trying to make a living as a composer go way deeper than just money.

That's all.
 

D Halgren

Senior Member
The same suggestion I have for everyone: Seriously assess the risks.

Try not to let music take precedence over other people in your life, and once-in-a-lifetime opportunities. For example, if you've got money on to burn and you're trying to decide whether to spend it to travel to GDC or Gamescom in hopes of networking to land a job, or you could with your family, friends, SO on a cruise — take the cruise.

I've seen people quit six-figure jobs and health benefits to "get into music" despite no experience in it. I've seen guys on GoFundMe beg for money to pay their bills because music isn't working out and they won't work a normal job. I've seen people who are obviously very talented in some other field refuse to even try doing that even in the meantime, because they're afraid it will cut into any music career chances. I've seen people who wanted kids, put them off for a music career that never came to be, only to suffer the heartbreak of numerous failed pregnancies and the like at a late age, and becoming the "old people" at their kids' Christmas concerts.

and every time, I've watched forum users encourage them to take these huge risks anyway.

So that's what my advice: Don't stop trying with music, but for the love of god, please, please, know that the risks in trying to make a living as a composer go way deeper than just money.

That's all.
Any thoughts about taking risks for music @Rctec ?
 

D Halgren

Senior Member
I have a better, more specific question for Hans

If you could go back in time and had to choose between your family, or your music career, what you pick?
Has it ever occurred to you that it's not one or the other? Your family is there to support you and understand you.
 

Chr!s

Active Member
Has it ever occurred to you that it's not one or the other? Your family is there to support you and understand you.
Good luck raising a family on a temp. day job and the occasional beer money from music. It's not 1970s anymore.

For most us, it will wind up being one or the other.
 

Nick Batzdorf

Moderator
Moderator
You're a self-admitted communist. Your opinions aren't even worth shit.
Okay, that and the "liberal-minded" comment don't belong outside the OT-Politics section - for one because they're silly and/or straw man arguments, but mainly because that crap is inappropriate anywhere else.

We have had reported posts to the moderators. So Ima comment here - half as a human, half as a moderator - in the hope that we can avoid a catfight.

Look, Chris, I think you've made your point: you think people are happy living a traditional life with 2.2 kids and a picket fence. Yes, the arts are saturated and most people don't manage to make a living as a composer. Got it, intellectually and personally (having spent ten years as an only intermittently successful composer/orchestrator before landing a job in my other calling, journalism).

Can we move on? Nobody is going to give up because you've converted them to your perspective, and it's just creating rancor.

Thank you in advance.
 
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