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Lemur Forum Dead?

Discussion in 'Your DAW (Digital Audio Workstation)' started by DanielBrunelle, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. DanielBrunelle

    DanielBrunelle Scientific Games

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    Hey guys,

    Does anyone know whats going on at liine? The Lemur forums arent accessible to me.

    https://forum.liine.net/

    Maybe lemur has been a zombie for years but losing the forums is still a huge blow!

    Im pretty committed to the touch screen interface and lemur's very powerful tools for customization. TouchOSC can't do what lemur does. Are there alternative ipad apps that are still in active dev?
     
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  3. procreative

    procreative Senior Member

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    Well its only the forum, last app update was only in Feb so no need to panic just yet. Probably an oversight.
     
  4. WindcryMusic

    WindcryMusic Senior Member

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    It's still missing in action as of today, and the above link simply redirects to their main Lemur page. Makes me a little bit nervous, especially as I am starting to delve into more advanced Lemur programming now and was really hoping to make use of that forum as a resource.
     
  5. robgb

    robgb I Have Strong Opinions

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    I use TouchOSC and have never used Lemur. What does Lemur do that TouchOSC doesn't?
     
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    DanielBrunelle

    DanielBrunelle Scientific Games

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    I sent a support email. Ill update if I hear anything back.
    Does anyone have contact with the guys at liine?


    Short answer is "everything". Its little bit like the difference between a crayon and adobe illustrator.

    TouchOSC is great if all you need is a touchscreen version of a faderbank. Steep learning curve but with lemur you can build fully interactive interfaces.

    I recommend you try it out.
     
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  7. WindcryMusic

    WindcryMusic Senior Member

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    I think the most important differences between the two are that Lemur has an API, scripting, expressions, and some more advanced/esoteric controls.

    E.g., with TouchOSC you basically are limited to telling a control what to send out via OSC or MIDI when activated (or what inputs to react to). Whereas with Lemur, just to give one example, I'm currently engaged in building a "popover" screen when a particular button is clicked, from which a selection can be made that filters the set of controls visible/active on the parent page, as well as changing the text and/or color of some controls. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be possible with TouchOSC.

    Warning: I do own both, but haven't spent much time with TouchOSC. My statements are based largely on a few quick Google searches.
     
  8. procreative

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    I wanted to make an articulation switching system with each pad labelled up with the appropriate articulation for all my libraries. I found using keyswitches soon became a headache trying to remember which key di what and where it was (even tried a Komplete Kontrol and while the coloured keys were handy, I still did not remember which one did what).

    I tried TouchOSC and I could do what I wanted. But could not find a way to switch layouts automatically and there seems to be a maximum amount of layouts as they have to be in tabbed windows.

    So after much searching I came across a Lemur based project called Composer Tools Pro. With it you can save presets for every library you have, tag them with the Dev, Instrument etc and they will recall on track select.

    By combining this with Osculator I have found a way to have the correct template load every time I select a track in my DAW (Logic). I also have a section for DAW shortcuts (there are so many hidden tricks I was not even aware of).

    One of my sets of shortcuts is able to hide tracks based on the group they belong to e.g. one button click and I can hide all tracks and only show say Cinematic Studio Strings. Handy when you have lots of tracks.

    TouchOSC is a very capable software, just cannot go as deep.
     
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    DanielBrunelle

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    Definitely getting off topic here but Ill go with it.
    I saw your other post on this and Ive actually been meaning to ask you if you could explain your OSC set up step by step. Logic -> Osculator -> Lemur template switching. Im still stuck in MIDI land unfortunately.

    Im pretty new to OSC. I've been able to monitor messages from logic to Osculator and from lemur to osculator. However I am having trouble with communication between lemur and logic via OSC.
     
  10. stigc56

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    If you imagine 100 different instruments in Cubase or Logic. Everytime you select a track with one of these instruments, you can have your Ipad mirror the correct set of articulations. Imagine to accomplish this in an app where you have to create a separate "scene" for each set, that's a lot of work. In Lemur you use the same "scene", and just change the text according to the set you selected. Furthermore it's possible, to create these articulation sets in excel and via a macro create both the VST map, articulation set (Cubase & Logic) and the all variables for Lemur.
    Mihkel Zilmer and Marco Di Stefano has created videos that show how to do, and I will try to create a video showing Excel doing the hard work.
     
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    DanielBrunelle

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    This sounds amazing, you have this working in logic in concert with their new articulation sets?

    Please share your excel method!
     
  12. robgb

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    I use TouchOSC in conjunction with @tack's reaticulate, so the articulation setup changes depending on which track I choose.
     
  13. A.G

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    TouchOSC is a toy in comparison with the Lemur. You can script amazing powerful Workstations in Lemur and set all sort of comunication with the DAW or third party application via MIDI or Control Surface track selection.

    Liine released a rock solid update in February. That means, no worries...
     
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  14. robgb

    robgb I Have Strong Opinions

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    Well, it's a toy that works great for me and does what I want, but I'll give Lemur a look anyway.
     
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    DanielBrunelle

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    bump

    we need the forums!
     
  16. A.G

    A.G Senior Member

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    Sometimes the specific app forums can be silent but it does not mean that the app is dead.
    For example we can make a Lemur discussion in this forum. I noted that a few Lemur gurus post here...
     
  17. jononotbono

    jononotbono Luke Johnson

    What about asking a Mod to start a sub forum here at VI-C? Just thinking out loud! :)
     
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    DanielBrunelle

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    Its not that the forums are silent its that they arent accessible. This thread isnt about the app being dead its about the forums being inaccessible.

    I think a VI-C lemur forum is great idea! But that doesnt help the loss of years of forum posts and hosted modules within them.
     
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  19. WindcryMusic

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    That's an interesting idea. Perhaps not for Lemur alone (even though that's the one I'm personally most interested in), but for all of the programmable/configurable control surfaces (Lemur, TouchOSC, Metagrid, and any others I don't know about).
     
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  20. A.G

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    Who knows, it can be a sort of forum under construction...
     

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