Leave it on 25/7…?

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    no wait, sleep mode shuts off everytoohing except a very small electrical current that keeps the RAM alive, where the session is stored. everything else is shut off completely
     
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    just wanted to add another curious fact,

    my whole studio, including 13 sets of light and led strips on all composing instruments on all monitos and computer logged on windows, monitor speakers on etc,, everything turned on on idle is running at 480W. somehow i feel thats not bad at all.

    the whole studio switched off but with sum standing by equipment including pc on sleep mode is at 17W
     
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    That kind of depends on how expensive electricity is in your location. In some parts of Western Europe, this would result in a $1400 bill each year.
     
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    I wouldn't keep any modern tube gear on 24x7 or 25x7 lol .. It's best to turn off when not using.
     
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    The discussion of keeping electronics on or off goes back decades, and I've been in many discussions with EE colleagues. Basic answer is nobody really knows which is better for longevity, but there are many opinions. Caveat, there are other considerations such as your power quality, if it's poor (or you have lots of electrical storms in your area) leaving it off is probably best.

    Otherwise for me it's just convenience. Bringing the computer and interfaces up and down is a pain, and I get to work in small increments and bursts so I don't want to mess with small details like just getting everything going. I also have solar panels so don't care about the juice (my end of year is zero and we use a lot of power). Having said that I do have some things automatically switch off such as my keyboard and some peripherals. I leave the Mac trash can up 24/7 too, it only sips about 20W on idle.
     
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    That's why God created the Sleep feature. There's no reason to turn off a computer these days, in my opinion. Do they even use 20W?

    That old wives' tale about Sleep making your system unstable may have been true years ago, but I've been doing it several times a day for years with no issues.
     
  7. Nick Batzdorf

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    The Internet says sleeping computers use between 1W and 6W.

    That's well within the BFD range.
     
  8. danbo

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    Computer sleep wasn't invented by any worshiped deity, but by software developers like me. :)

    I have about eight top systems in my home office I use for things from deep learning to general development, to games and composing software, and I can only reliably sleep a few of them. Mac's aren't any better, they will spontaneously wake up, and sometimes they'll get pissed and freeze when doing so. Now the Mac Pro cylinder is a good sleeper (except it not infrequently happens that on a new OS update it screws up again, until Apple fixes it six months later. Anyhow, when sleeping the cylinder composing computer there are a number of annoying glitches. One my RED4Pre comes up and always forgets what it's clock source is so I have to manually reset it to internal. Then Logic and MainStage lose their brain and fart dialog boxes warning about this or that transgression. Oh and I have 1GB/s external RAID arrays that VI's often freak out on because they haven't mounted in time on wakeup, so they'll freak and wedge.

    It's annoying, I have too many computers to mess with it, at work I use as many computers daily and they all stay on 24/7 for this and other reasons. Plus IT tells us not to turn them off either. I just remembered, at work we use HP Z workstations and HP also advises to leave them off.
     
  9. Nick Batzdorf

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    danbo, it's probably safe to say that you're what we in the art world call an *edge case.*

    Normal man-on-the-street guys like me can safely sleep our computers at will.

    I mean, every recent Mac laptop automatically sleeps when you close its lid, then wakes up when you open it.
     
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    I didn't say that computer sleep doesn't work for many or most people with one computer, I'm saying that it's not an old wives tale that sleep can cause issues. Even my Linux boxes, with the best kernel in the world, suffer from user space sleep issues, such as my Nvidia Titan which occasionally glitches on wakeup and screws up the desktop, so I have to reboot. Anyhow we're composers here and as I sketched out my not unusual (trash can/RED4PRE thunderbolt) setup has issues on sleeping. Maybe other people are luckier.
     
  11. Nick Batzdorf

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    Did too, did too!

    Okay, can we at least pretend you did?


    But seriously, if the RED4PRE causes problems sleeping, to me that would seem like a good thing to shout at the manufacturer about. It really shouldn't do that.

    By the way, I actually do have several computers, but I sleep the two I use - Mac Pro and MacBook Air. I don't know about my Windows machines, because I've never slept them - I just shut them down, and then turn them back on months later when I need one. :)
     
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    I’ve had several ‘odd’ issues caused by sleep over the decades. I think I even recal a time when it wasn’t recommended to let a Mac sleep while using Logic.
     
  13. Nick Batzdorf

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    Yes, you absolutely do recall that!

    But it should be working these days. I sleep it with Logic open all the time, and I have no issues.
     
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    I turn everything off at the end of the day/night/whenever I'm done for the day. But I've always left the speakers on, Genelec M030s. Never worried about it. Now I wonder, should those get turned off too?
     
  15. Yes, I turn them off. It takes like under five minutes to turn everything back on (everything) and load up my template(s), etc. (the time it takes to go and take a dump and make a coffee). Jeez, we are supposed to be trying to conserve energy on this planet, this is such a minor inconvenience. And even at 1 to 3W, this adds up to $$ on my electrical bill over time. I don't know about you, but I like to save money.
     
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    true, but in my case in particular perhaps, time is money, sometimes 15 minute that my template teakes to load is enough for me not putting that idea down in my daw.. and there it goes forever,
     
  17. You can write in down on paper, or record yourself singing the melody on your phone.

    Just sayin' :)
     
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    how can i hum a full orchestra in my phone... haha well ok,
     
  19. Well, if when inspiration strikes under the shower, you suddenly have the complete orchestration in your head, then you are a freaking genius and you should indeed leave your template ready all the time !
     
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    brother, trust me im no genius, but this is how i hear music in my head when im composing, i hear full ensembles playing, i hear multiple distinct diferent frequences that come specifically from a tuba or a clarinet imposing themselves over the rest, i hear sparkles of glissando cutting through, i hear chords as a one and not individual instruments playing a chord... most of time i spend more time trying to translate all of that into the piano so i can write it then composing per se....

    i dont know its like a subconscious thing i have no control over, but completely lack on the technical physical-world side of it... what can i do..?

    of course theres the other side of it, where i have nothing in my head but like to have a fully prepped template waiting for me at the right time to try and experiment... i try to compensate my spenditure of energy by not damaging the planet earth with anything else i do
     
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