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bcarwell

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Can anybody confirm that L.M. is fully functional in Windows- especially Win 7 on up. Anyone on Win 7 or Win 8 ?

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g.c.

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Sorry to take awhile coming back to you Bob.
Here's that link. It's on the forum under "Your Daw, dated last Saturday.https://vi-control.net/community/threads/cubase-how-to-install-the-leap-motion-controller-and-geco-on-windows-10.94829/
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Bernd keul

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hello , i made this video with leap Motion and solo violin some years ago :


it is 6 midi cc´s assigned to targets in kontakt , and it works quite good and is very entertaining !

there is a new development :


it is Leap Motion combined with haptic feedback ( coming from ultrasonic speakers )

just yesterday I contacted the developers , they were very nice , but they don't have a music app ready ... I will post ,when I hear from them ...
 

robcs

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hello , i made this video with leap Motion and solo violin some years ago :


it is 6 midi cc´s assigned to targets in kontakt , and it works quite good and is very entertaining !

there is a new development :


it is Leap Motion combined with haptic feedback ( coming from ultrasonic speakers )

just yesterday I contacted the developers , they were very nice , but they don't have a music app ready ... I will post ,when I hear from them ...


Great playing! I don't see the lack of physical feedback as a problem - to me it seems more of a matter of building up muscle memory, or just listening to the sound for feedback

What were the CC mappings you used?

BTW - have you seen the price of the Stratos? Yikes!
 
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OMG Bernd. Had NO IDEA of this technology. THANKS for calling it to my attention. For those of you who, like me, may not have heard of it, it solves the problem pointed out by Pietro of not having any tactile feedback with your hands in mid air ! Here are a couple descriptions I pulled up
https://www.ultraleap.com/ and
Definitely worth following. The musical application implications are astounding to me..

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Yikes ! Only price I saw for the haptics controller was .... $7500 (no, I am not missing a decimal place between the 5 and the 0). Has to come down a few orders of magnitude for the great unwashed like me, although chump change to Hans...

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shawnsingh

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I too am very interested in leap+geco. But I'm hesitant to become heavily dependent on it, only to have it stop working in a year if there is not enough active maintenance.

Is it still required to use the old v2 version of leap? (Does V2 refer to leap drivers?) Or, is it now possible to use the latest version of leap hardware and software with geco?
 

robcs

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I too am very interested in leap+geco. But I'm hesitant to become heavily dependent on it, only to have it stop working in a year if there is not enough active maintenance.

Is it still required to use the old v2 version of leap? (Does V2 refer to leap drivers?) Or, is it now possible to use the latest version of leap hardware and software with geco?

I bought my Leap a week ago, and downloaded geco at the weekend, so it seems the latest versions of everything are working
 

Mystic

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So it's essentially a more modern Roland D-Beam? The problem with that tech was always accuracy. You can get used to using it but you still run into issues which, in recording, can cause a lot of time reediting everything that needs fixed and in live settings, can cause unwanted results because you move the wrong way.

They were always fun to mess with but I'm not sure I'd use one in a professional setting.
 

shawnsingh

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I bought my Leap a week ago, and downloaded geco at the weekend, so it seems the latest versions of everything are working

Just to be totally clear, did you install v1.2 or v1.4 for leap?

I'm reading this link - https://developer.leapmotion.com/setup/desktop that strongly hints that apps that requires 1.2 are legacy and not going to be actively supported. But then geco website still says it may not work with 1.4 (https://gallery.leapmotion.com/geco-midi/), and looks like it hasn't been actively maintained for a few years. I wonder if there is any fundamental reason that geco may not work with 1.4? Or is it just a matter of limited resources, and doesn't really need too much maintenance?

Thanks!
 
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Roland D-Beam ? I am constantly amazed at the depth of knowledge and history represented in this forum. Supports the adage there is nothing new under the sun. I was clueless what it was, so had to find out:



It was in a bunch of Roland equipment. And as Mystic pointed out it was less "modern" (trans.: apparently only controlled one parameter of choice). I don't see the point and what it gained over a simple fader or wheel other than a "golly gee whiz" factor. LEAP appears to be a different story...

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It was in a bunch of Roland equipment. And as Mystic pointed out it was less "modern" (trans.: apparently only controlled one parameter of choice). I don't see the point and what it gained over a simple fader or wheel other than a "golly gee whiz" factor. LEAP appears to be a different story...

Bob
D-Beam at the time was a really fun thing for live performance to add the crowd "wow" factor but it was annoying to use in reality.
 
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Not to mention the 1928 Theremin and its resurgence in Forbidden Planet (1956), score by Bebe and Louis Barron. Notice I didn't say "music by". They were not union and credits were forced to be changed to "...electronic tonalities by". I digress but the Wikipedia on them is fascinating. "The music and the sound effects stunned the audience. During the preview of the movie when the sounds of the spaceship landing on Altair IV filled the theater, the audience broke out in spontaneous applause."- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_and_Louis_Barron
 

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Just to be totally clear, did you install v1.2 or v1.4 for leap?

I'm reading this link - https://developer.leapmotion.com/setup/desktop that strongly hints that apps that requires 1.2 are legacy and not going to be actively supported. But then geco website still says it may not work with 1.4 (https://gallery.leapmotion.com/geco-midi/), and looks like it hasn't been actively maintained for a few years. I wonder if there is any fundamental reason that geco may not work with 1.4? Or is it just a matter of limited resources, and doesn't really need too much maintenance?

Thanks!

I just checked and in fact I’m running Leap 2 with Geco 1.3
 

sctaylorcan

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Good Afternoon :) A little bump on an older thread as a first-time poster! I picked up a Leap Motion in November after getting the oh-so-playable Infinite Brass and Woodwinds - and while I understand Geco to be a great and popular package, I instead ended up building out my own (only for Windows) and decided to share for free at http://www.midipaw.com for anyone who would like it.

It is designed around the compositional flow of playing in a part with one hand and "leaping" with the other hand, and uses the latest (v4) leap drivers. Just another option for those who want to try their *hand* at it (groan!) ;)

My personal impression is that the hardware is alive and well and supported (and going after a focused gaming/VR kind of experience, primarily) so I feel good that hardware/drivers will evolve for a bit, and with custom software I can keep up as/if it changes. My $117 CDN investment seems safe!
 
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muziksculp

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Good Afternoon :) A little bump on an older thread as a first-time poster! I picked up a Leap Motion in November after getting the oh-so-playable Infinite Brass and Woodwinds - and while I understand Geco to be a great and popular package, I instead ended up building out my own (only for Windows) and decided to share at http://www.midipaw.com for anyone who would like it.

It is designed around the compositional flow of playing in a part with one hand and "leaping" with the other hand, and uses the latest (v4) leap drivers. Just another option for those who want to try their *hand* at it (groan!) ;)

My personal impression is that the hardware is alive and well and supported (and going after a focused gaming/VR kind of experience, primarily) so I feel good that hardware/drivers will evolve for a bit, and with custom software I can keep up as/if it changes. My $117 CDN investment seems safe!
Thanks for sharing this.

So, is midipaw better than GECO ? what are the benefits of using midipaw over GECO ?

Oh.. and it's a free download. Cool.

EDIT : Ok, I checked midipaw in more detail, and it offers a lot more control options, and features than GECO does. I will have to give it a try.
 

sctaylorcan

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Thanks for sharing this.

So, is midipaw better than GECO ? what are the benefits of using midipaw over GECO ?

Oh.. and it's a free download. Cool.

EDIT : Ok, I checked midipaw in more detail, and it offers a lot more control options, and features than GECO does. I will have to give it a try.
Hi -- thanks for checking it out!

Admission: I never actually installed GECO, so I can't be too helpful with a comparison (so I guess I'd say "different!"), but a few key bits that I like about how MidiPaw turned out which may or may not be unique to it are:
  • It fits my thinking which goes "oh, I need a way to control vibrato. What motion do I want for that? What CC is it on? Okay, I'll add a rule for it..."
  • In the detailed rule settings, I find "tuning" the rules to my motions *very* fast and intuitive with visual feedback. I didn't even put numbers on the sliders because I found I did better with feel than with digits
  • I like the little hand graphic in the settings that controls how much the palm vs each finger is used to figure out overall position
  • I can shrink it small and pin the window on top so it plays nicely while i'm in my DAW
If you have any observations or feedback, I'm all ears :emoji_ear: :)
 

muziksculp

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Hi -- thanks for checking it out!

Admission: I never actually installed GECO, so I can't be too helpful with a comparison (so I guess I'd say "different!"), but a few key bits that I like about how MidiPaw turned out which may or may not be unique to it are:
  • It fits my thinking which goes "oh, I need a way to control vibrato. What motion do I want for that? What CC is it on? Okay, I'll add a rule for it..."
  • In the detailed rule settings, I find "tuning" the rules to my motions *very* fast and intuitive with visual feedback. I didn't even put numbers on the sliders because I found I did better with feel than with digits
  • I like the little hand graphic in the settings that controls how much the palm vs each finger is used to figure out overall position
  • I can shrink it small and pin the window on top so it plays nicely while i'm in my DAW
If you have any observations or feedback, I'm all ears :emoji_ear: :)
Thanks for the feedback.

I have a Leap Motion, and GECO, but haven't used it much.

One thing I found very useful to have in the midipaw application is the ability to scale your motions, so you don't have to move your hands large distances to get a large CC value range. This can make it more practical to use. I will download midipaw, and experiment with it when I have some time. I feel this might be very useful for me.

I also wonder if there will be other devices like/better than the Leap Motion in the future.
 

pmcrockett

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I use GECO a lot, so I'm definitely interested in MidiPaw. My main concern with GECO is simply that it runs on the old Leap software so future compatibly is questionable. Similar functionality while being able to run on the current drivers sounds great.
 
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