Lack of short articulations in Spitfire Studio Strings and the time machine trick

Akarin

pragsound.com
Hey all. I'm currently trying to decide if the Spitfire Studio Orchestra could be a good fit for me. From what I understand, there's only one technique for short articulations in the Studio Strings. As I like to write phrases switching between different types of shorts, someone suggested that I use the Time Machine patches to stretch the spiccato samples.

To get a feel for this technique, I've used Albion One and built a multi with different stretched spiccatos controlled by an Expression Map to try to simulate stac -> spic -> sfz. The first 8 bars are Albion One and the next 8 bars are CSS using dedicated articulations. Each note at the same velocity for consistancy:


To my ears, the Time Machine trick sounds really robotic and unnatural. Does anyone have experience using it with Spitfire Studio Strings? The whole concept of the Studio Orchestra is very appealing but I need my shorts.
 

KallumS

Active Member
From what I can glean, these are the short articulations for Spitfire Studio Strings (Core):
  • Violins 1 (8) - Marcato Attack
  • Violins 1 (8) - Runs
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Brushed CS
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Brushed
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Col Legno
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Harmonics
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Pizzicato
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Spiccato
  • Violins 2 (6) - Marcato Attack
  • Violins 2 (6) - Runs
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Brushed CS
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Brushed
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Col Legno
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Harmonics
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Pizzicato
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Spiccato
  • Violas (6) - Marcato Attack
  • Violas (6) - Short Brushed CS
  • Violas (6) - Short Brushed
  • Violas (6) - Short Col Legno
  • Violas (6) - Short Harmonics
  • Violas (6) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Violas (6) - Short Pizzicato
  • Violas (6) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Violas (6) - Short Spiccato
  • Celli (6) - Marcato Attack
  • Celli (6) - Short Brushed CS
  • Celli (6) - Short Brushed
  • Celli (6) - Short Col Legno
  • Celli (6) - Short Harmonics
  • Celli (6) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Celli (6) - Short Pizzicato
  • Celli (6) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Celli (6) - Short Spiccato
  • Basses (4) - Marcato Attack
  • Basses (4) - Short Col Legno
  • Basses (4) - Short Harmonics
  • Basses (4) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Basses (4) - Short Pizzicato
  • Basses (4) - Short Spiccato
 
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Akarin

Akarin

pragsound.com
From what I can glean, these are the short articulations for Spitfire Studio Strings (Core):
  • Violins 1 (8) - Marcato Attack
  • Violins 1 (8) - Runs
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Brushed CS
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Brushed
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Col Legno
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Harmonics
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Pizzicato
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Violins 1 (8) - Short Spiccato
  • Violins 2 (6) - Marcato Attack
  • Violins 2 (6) - Runs
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Brushed CS
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Brushed
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Col Legno
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Harmonics
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Pizzicato
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Violins 2 (6) - Short Spiccato
  • Violas (6) - Marcato Attack
  • Violas (6) - Short Brushed CS
  • Violas (6) - Short Brushed
  • Violas (6) - Short Col Legno
  • Violas (6) - Short Harmonics
  • Violas (6) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Violas (6) - Short Pizzicato
  • Violas (6) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Violas (6) - Short Spiccato
  • Celli (6) - Marcato Attack
  • Celli (6) - Short Brushed CS
  • Celli (6) - Short Brushed
  • Celli (6) - Short Col Legno
  • Celli (6) - Short Harmonics
  • Celli (6) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Celli (6) - Short Pizzicato
  • Celli (6) - Short Spiccato CS
  • Celli (6) - Short Spiccato
  • Basses (4) - Marcato Attack
  • Basses (4) - Short Col Legno
  • Basses (4) - Short Harmonics
  • Basses (4) - Short Pizzicato Bartok
  • Basses (4) - Short Pizzicato
  • Basses (4) - Short Spiccato
Well... yeah :-p It's the whole point of my post: no staccato or longer shorts than spiccato.
 

SimonCharlesHanna

Senior Member
Hey all. I'm currently trying to decide if the Spitfire Studio Orchestra could be a good fit for me. From what I understand, there's only one technique for short articulations in the Studio Strings. As I like to write phrases switching between different types of shorts, someone suggested that I use the Time Machine patches to stretch the spiccato samples.

To get a feel for this technique, I've used Albion One and built a multi with different stretched spiccatos controlled by an Expression Map to try to simulate stac -> spic -> sfz. The first 8 bars are Albion One and the next 8 bars are CSS using dedicated articulations. Each note at the same velocity for consistancy:


To my ears, the Time Machine trick sounds really robotic and unnatural. Does anyone have experience using it with Spitfire Studio Strings? The whole concept of the Studio Orchestra is very appealing but I need my shorts.
Yeah nah the first one is bad bad.

They've always lacked various shorts
 

LowweeK

Monkeying with libraries
Did you try Spitfire TM with a bit less extreme value ?

It sounds like you've been using 3 positions in the Stretch cursor (minimum, normal, maximum).
I'm using TM a bit, not a specialist, and it seems that it requires a lot more "cursor life" for it to sound better. As far as I remember, when Paul is demoing TM, he's always moving the slider continuously and it sounds less robotic.

My 2 cents...
 
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Akarin

Akarin

pragsound.com
Did you try Spitfire TM with a bit less extreme value ?

It sounds like you've been using 3 positions in the Stretch cursor (minimum, normal, maximum).
I'm using TM a bit, not a specialist, and it seems that it requires a lot more "cursor life" for it to sound better. As far as I remember, when Paul is demoing TM, he's always moving the slider continuously and it sounds less robotic.

My 2 cents...
Thanks. The values are 20% left, center, 20% right. I think that the issue with using TM is that it's just a sample stretch. The attack is the same even though stac and spic are not the same technique, hence the robotic sound.
 

muziksculp

Senior Member
They should add staccattos, of various lengths to make this library more functional and useful for short articulation work. Surely more useful than Bartok Shorts.

I really don't understand how they omitted Staccattos in this library. Makes no sense to me, and one of the main reasons I didn't buy it.
 
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Akarin

Akarin

pragsound.com
They should add staccattos, of various lengths to make this library more functional and useful for short articulation work. Surely more useful than Bartok Shorts.

I really don't understand how they omitted Staccattos in this library. Makes no sense to me, and one of the main reasons I didn't buy it.
Probably the ONLY reason I'm not getting it. SCS, on the other hand...