Kontakt 6!

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
Wherever you tell Native Access your VST folder is.

This is weird ... I have both plugins available in my plugin list and NI Access always asks me to specifically upgrade my Player version despite owning the full version. Also, the songs made with Player still load Player ... So you got me fully confused now ... :)
Well that's weird indeed. It's not supposed to be like that at all.
 

Oliver

Active Member
Dear ED (EvilDragon)
i know you dont believe me, but its a fact that patches from TIME Macro are 20-40% less CPU on the Kontakt 6 player than on kontakt 5.8.1 full.

I dont know why that is (only you should know)...
maybe i am going crazy...
no...to be serious its really like this, did several tests on that.

hopefully that will be on kontakt 6 full also.
Maybe someone can test that?

:)
 

alanb

Senior Member
Thank you very much, TtF, that's extremely helpful, especially with all of the hyperlinking . . .

. . . man, NI's demos do nothing to really sell me on anything other than K6 (which is an inevitability) and Thrill (now I understand all the positive chatter about it... although it reminds me that I haven't yet squeezed out all of Morphestra 2's possibilities).

As for the rest . . . I'd like to be excited about Session Strings Pro 2, but so many of the patches in the video walkthrough sound so synthy, and I can't tell whether it's the patches themselves, or just misapplication of the built-in reverb/EQ/compression/effects, which I wouldn't use.

Ditto Discovery Series: Middle East . . . does its Saz always sound harpsichord-y, or is that they gussied it up poorly for the video? The Ney sounds like it came off of one of my old EIIIx disks. I really like that it lets you play the string instruments in proper scales and tunings (and I'd be pretty intrigued if I could use DS:ME's scale/tuning selction to constrain the scale/tuning of a different VI that I've loaded onto another DAW track), but I can't tell from the one walkthrough video how much it gives me that Ra/Silk doesn't already cover.

The two guitar libraries have some neat features, but I'm not sold on the sound of the guitars themselves... again, I wonder how much of that is due to the way they were amp'd/reverb'd/EQ'd/compress'd/effected/whatever'd for the videos.

Ehhhhhhhh......................
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
Dear ED (EvilDragon)
i know you dont believe me, but its a fact that patches from TIME Macro are 20-40% less CPU on the Kontakt 6 player than on kontakt 5.8.1 full.

I dont know why that is (only you should know)...
I already mentioned the one possible cause for the difference would be a different multicore setting in Kontakt. Did you confirm they're identical or different between v5.8.1 and v6?

I don't have any OT libraries so I can't really test that, but stuff that I do have (Spitfire, NI, OTS, Vir2, whatever else, I have a ton), has exactly the same CPU usage between v5.8.1 and v6.

hopefully that will be on kontakt 6 full also.
As mentioned above, full version and player version are exactly the same code. Just the license is different.
 

KarlHeinz

Senior Member
Where do you get the info about the massive expansion for K 12 ? Dont found them in my NI Acess after installation of K 12 update from K 11. Is there a separate mail like with the play instruments for Kontakt ? Then I will have to ask for this cause I dont get it so far.
 

Sample logic

Active Member
I notice Sample Logic Expeditions and Arpology Cinematic seem to be Kontakt 6 casualties (i.e. they don’t work in Kontakt 6). Anybody found any others?
I fear that Kontakt 6 does not auto move the presets folders over for you. You may need to go to the Mac Documents / Native Instruments / Kontakt 5 folder and move those presets folders manually to the Kontakt 6 folder (I am assuming it will be called Kontakt 6?) Please let us know if this resolves the issue.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
They dropped the number in K6 so the folder would just be called "Kontakt".

And of course Kontakt cannot really keep track of what 3rd party libraries are doing. So the onus is on the developer (and ultimately the user) to do these things. If the libraries in question were Kontakt Player, this would be a non-issue, though :)
 

Sample logic

Active Member
Yes we Just installed our copy of Kontakt 6 and ED is correct the new presets folder location is not Kontakt 6 but rather "kontakt" as the application is now called Kontakt.

To use our non-Kontakt player products in Kontakt 6 you will need to copy the related presets folders from
users/documents/Native Instruments/Kontakt 5

and paste them into

users/documents/Native Instruments/Kontakt
 

Guy Rowland

Senior Member
Pure speculation on my part, but I have a sneaking suspicion that - especially with the new numberless Kontakt - there will be no Kontakt 7, but rather... yes, Kontakt X.

Mario's many posts on the legacy code problems lead me to believe that they will just chuck the lot and do something new that is not backwards compatible, a la Massive / Massive X. They'd still likely keep Ye Olde Kontakt supported for many many years, and hopefully give devs some tools to help port the old format to the new.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
Let's just not start the guessing game too early. :)

That same legacy code is the very reason why Kontakt is so damn efficient in the first place. That core isn't going anywhere. UI part just needs to be separated from it and updated to modern standards. "Just".
 

Guy Rowland

Senior Member
...but easier to port the good bits to a shiny new framework or do all that weeding?

But true, all rather pointless for now as it would be years off before I could look smug...
 

Oliver

Active Member
I already mentioned the one possible cause for the difference would be a different multicore setting in Kontakt. Did you confirm they're identical or different between v5.8.1 and v6?

I don't have any OT libraries so I can't really test that, but stuff that I do have (Spitfire, NI, OTS, Vir2, whatever else, I have a ton), has exactly the same CPU usage between v5.8.1 and v6.



As mentioned above, full version and player version are exactly the same code. Just the license is different.
just did stress testing with a TM patch ( Strings very slow trem) and put slider of timestretch to the right.
guess what...
not playable in kontakt 5 due to "overheating" and clips and crackles all over.
kontakt is just fine with appr. 75% CPU

ah yes, i checked all settings , so that they are really the same!

so something must have happened with the new version.
well if NI doesnt want to tell us, i am happy anyway ;)
 

Jake

Member
just did stress testing with a TM patch ( Strings very slow trem) and put slider of timestretch to the right.
guess what...
not playable in kontakt 5 due to "overheating" and clips and crackles all over.
kontakt is just fine with appr. 75% CPU
I'm curious, how many notes were you playing at once?

I just tried the same (Kontakt 5.8.1) and hit 75% CPU with 5-6 notes simultaneously.

iMac (27-inch, Late 2013)
3.5 GHz Intel Core i7
32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
 

Oliver

Active Member
I'm curious, how many notes were you playing at once?

I just tried the same (Kontakt 5.8.1) and hit 75% CPU with 5-6 notes simultaneously.

iMac (27-inch, Late 2013)
3.5 GHz Intel Core i7
32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
i think i did 2 notes if i remember corectly.

here WIN 10 with I7-6700 at 4ghz
64gb ram
 

Brian2112

Active Member
Yes we Just installed our copy of Kontakt 6 and ED is correct the new presets folder location is not Kontakt 6 but rather "kontakt" as the application is now called Kontakt.

To use our non-Kontakt player products in Kontakt 6 you will need to copy the related presets folders from
users/documents/Native Instruments/Kontakt 5

and paste them into

users/documents/Native Instruments/Kontakt
It Works!
@EvilDragon and @Sample logic you guys are awesome! Thanks!
 

Jake

Member
i think i did 2 notes if i remember corectly.

here WIN 10 with I7-6700 at 4ghz
64gb ram
Interesting. I'm no tech guru and haven't kept up with what's what in the past few years, but it appears you've got far more muscle in your machine than I have in mine. So why do I seem to be doing better?

My samples are on a 3TB (3-1TB drives) external that's connected via Thunderbolt (Ver. 1) and the drives are in a OWC Thunderbay 4 mini. Raid 0

For what all that is worth :)
 

TigerTheFrog

Froganthropist
Thank you very much, TtF, that's extremely helpful, especially with all of the hyperlinking . . .

. . . man, NI's demos do nothing to really sell me on anything other than K6 (which is an inevitability) and Thrill (now I understand all the positive chatter about it... although it reminds me that I haven't yet squeezed out all of Morphestra 2's possibilities).

As for the rest . . . I'd like to be excited about Session Strings Pro 2, but so many of the patches in the video walkthrough sound so synthy, and I can't tell whether it's the patches themselves, or just misapplication of the built-in reverb/EQ/compression/effects, which I wouldn't use.

Ditto Discovery Series: Middle East . . . does its Saz always sound harpsichord-y, or is that they gussied it up poorly for the video? The Ney sounds like it came off of one of my old EIIIx disks. I really like that it lets you play the string instruments in proper scales and tunings (and I'd be pretty intrigued if I could use DS:ME's scale/tuning selction to constrain the scale/tuning of a different VI that I've loaded onto another DAW track), but I can't tell from the one walkthrough video how much it gives me that Ra/Silk doesn't already cover.

The two guitar libraries have some neat features, but I'm not sold on the sound of the guitars themselves... again, I wonder how much of that is due to the way they were amp'd/reverb'd/EQ'd/compress'd/effected/whatever'd for the videos.

Ehhhhhhhh......................
What I like most about Discovery: Middle East are the percussion instruments. A tremendous amount of articulations, rolls, fills, and patterns, the mostI've ever seen on any Middle Eastern percussion instrument. And a lot of instruments--4 darbukas, a Daf, a Daire, a Davul, 4 frame drums, Kudu, Tombak, and 2 Riqs. Very expressive, you can change the fill speed with the modwheel and the roll velocity with Pitch Bend and Aftertouch. This is the library that has sold me more than any other on my ROLI, as it responds to very subtle changes in pressure.

For sound quality, it can't compete with Evolution Middle East, with its four microphones, but I think it sounds very good. But it also lets you drag out its many MIDI patterns into your DAW, where they can play Evolution, or any drums or percussion you like.

As for the melodic instruments, it seems like they all have a dozen articulations, so what you get out of them might have a lot to do with how much effort you put into your playing. I am getting some nice results with the Oud. By chance, I recently happened upon a guy who gave me an impromptu performance on his Oud. I've never watched anybody play it so close up. (The last time was when I went to "The Band's Visit") He works at this store on 14th Street in NYC, the kind of place where they sell sneakers, t-shirts, sponges and assorted stuff. But he had an Oud and a Darbuka in the window, so I went in. Inside, he was selling a few out of a case in the back from various countries. Chance encounters like this are why I love New York City so much.
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alanb

Senior Member
I was all excited to pay the sneaker/oud guy a visit, tomorrow . . . until I saw the price tag...... [sigh] . . . . .