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Kepler - Favorite Techniques and Uses

Wunderhorn

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I have been using Spitfire Kepler on a few occasions. I like the concept.

What feels difficult to work with is the evo grid. I cannot quite wrap my head around the question why it is not possible to assign keyswitches to the different rhythm speeds (horizontal). It feels limiting and simply weird. In order to switch gears within the same instrument from quarter notes to eighth notes I have to load another instance of the same instrument. If you want to work with it extensively, it blows up your template.

Another question is if there is a trick or even a KSP script(?) to cause time machine to go into double speed. I know a lot of libraries have that function (works wonders on 8Dio Ostinato Strings) but here I have not found it. I would love to experiment with faster speeds and tighter patterns.

Of course there is lots more that one can do with this library - what are your favorite uses and techniques?
 

jbuhler

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I’ve had this issue too, and with Symphonic Motions too. I don’t think that the evo grid is the best way to control these articulations.
 

Oliver

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and Spitfire will also nothing do about this ;)

while i really like Motions i still scratch my head with Kepler...i dont like the tone, and can't find an EQ solution for it that works.
Any ideas? :)
 
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I’ve had this issue too, and with Symphonic Motions too. I don’t think that the evo grid is the best way to control these articulations.
Exactly one reason why I did not jump on Symphonic Motions. I am puzzled that they just copied that weird evo workflow to the new player when they had a chance to make that more flexible. (On that note I feel good about having gone for Fluid Shorts and the 8Dio Ostinato - the upcoming Audiobro MSS also seems to offer some insteresting new ostinato approaches)
 

jbuhler

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Exactly one reason why I did not jump on Symphonic Motions. I am puzzled that they just copied that weird evo workflow to the new player when they had a chance to make that more flexible. (On that note I feel good about having gone for Fluid Shorts and the 8Dio Ostinato - the upcoming Audiobro MSS also seems to offer some insteresting new ostinato approaches)
Due to the nature of the patterns in Symphonic Motions, it's not quite as bad as with Kepler, but I'm very surprised that no one in development for Symphonic Motions seemed bothered by the workflows of Kepler, nor indeed seemed to consult anyone who had tried to work with Kepler with any kind of regularity. To me the grid is a far bigger problem with Kepler and SM than the hits on the CPU.

I'll say I don't especially like the workflow of the 8Dio Ostinato libraries either. I do like Sonokinetic's approach, but those libraries are limited in chord and rhythm formations and don't give you much control over the scoring.
 
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Due to the nature of the patterns in Symphonic Motions, it's not quite as bad as with Kepler, but I'm very surprised that no one in development for Symphonic Motions seemed bothered by the workflows of Kepler, nor indeed seemed to consult anyone who had tried to work with Kepler with any kind of regularity. To me the grid is a far bigger problem with Kepler and SM than the hits on the CPU.

I'll say I don't especially like the workflow of the 8Dio Ostinato libraries either. I do like Sonokinetic's approach, but those libraries are limited in chord and rhythm formations and don't give you much control over the scoring.
What's not to like about the 8Dio ostinati? Aside from the fact that Kontakt's time machine gets a bit confused every now and then, you have - aside from the simple spiccati - straight forward ostinato patches which which you can build anything except interval ostinati (looking forward to MSS on this one). They also don't loop which I find actually to be a good thing, because sometimes it can increase the danger of stuck notes.

Sonokinetic is unusable to me. I feel it is a product of completely overthinking the matter, I don't like to be locked into chords or keys. Often I use ostinati outside the immediate tonal range for tension and adding (dis-)harmonic interest.

So far my favorite is actually Fluid Shorts. So simple and yet it gets the job done.

But back to Kepler. I still would like to hear more about what is possible rather than what's not possible... Harking back to my first post on top of this thread I am sure there is some gold in there and I feel I just haven't found it all yet...
 

jbuhler

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I use Kepler for the 5s and 7s quite a lot, simply because Logic makes it such a pain to do them. And you can get some nice effects out of Kepler in the momentum and shards patches. Because it's such a CPU hog, I end up printing to audio quite a lot and then manipulating that.
 

BezO

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The lack of keyswitches makes Kepler quite inflexible. I too need multiple instances to do anything with it, and its CPU hunger has deterred that.
 

Trevor Meier

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I'll say I don't especially like the workflow of the 8Dio Ostinato libraries either. I do like Sonokinetic's approach, but those libraries are limited in chord and rhythm formations and don't give you much control over the scoring.
I’d also be curious to know what you don’t like about the 8Dio ostinato libraries?
 
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