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Justice League

Discussion in 'Soundtracks Discussion' started by Consona, Oct 27, 2017.

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    Consona Senior Member

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    Yes. And yet, they blatantly lied that Whedon's just finishing Snyder's vision (while he rewrote and reshot big part of the movie and the whole score was scrapped, JX L fired and Elfman was hired) and now the whole advertisement for the digital release was Snyder's scenes they deleted from the movie. What a mess.
     
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    I passed on Justice League (was a huge fan of Man of Steel but super disappointed in Batman vs. Superman). But I keep forgetting to watch Thor 3 (I really liked the first two, especially the second which was super fun imo). Thanks for reminding me.

    I'm one of those weirdos who thought Civil War was the best superhero flick since Man of Steel...to this day.
     
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    Yeah what were they thinking using woodwinds? There’s no place for them in modern film scoring especially when epic music is so awesome with the rocking drums and screaming choirs. That’s what Elfman shoulda done...:roflmao:
     
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    Yeah that actually works. I didn’t see the film so I don’t know what they actually used as underscore but the HZ stuff does work dramatically and provides some musical continuity.
     
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    Thor 3 is great fun. And I never saw Thor 2!
     
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    Not sure I would go that far but I do reckon these big dour smashemup movies need some kind of beyond-orchestral component. The score did sound a bit too "an orchestra, in a room."
     
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    There is place for woodwinds in epic scores but Justice League is an example of how not to do it.
     
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    and now that they got rid of the strong musical identities from MOS and BvS, I wonder what they are gonna do for MOS2 if that ever happen...they can't really bring back William's theme seriously....they could start fresh, but something won't feel right...and bringing back those strong identities might feel wierd too after Justice League since they denied it so strongly.... will be interesting to see what they do about this.
     
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    I love MoS, and hope they either rehire Zimmer (I know, he said he wouldn't) or use his original score (at least in parts). The score the MoS was at least half of the reason I love that movie as much as the amazing Reeve film.
     
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    Yeah, I will need to heard Elfman's score again. I know his use of low winds in the Burton Batman was terrific and foreboding. I was kind of surprised they hired him for this current franchise because his sound is so different from the tone and style that's been established.

    While I will admit that Williams' Superman is my all time favourite score (by him or anyone), I know it wouldn't have worked with the new incarnation of Supes just like Elfman's Batman theme (also terrific) would not have suited the Dark Knight franchise.

    I think the real problem with DC movies is that they are trying too hard to capture the quality of Marvel films, which let's admit, have been fairly terrific- Captain America trilogy has just gotten better and better (Civil War tackled similar themes to BvS but infinitely better), Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers, Thor, Spiderman; all of them have been entertaining AND well written/directed. The DC films by contrast have been messy. Contrived, forced, noisy, and as much as WW was a step in the right direction, it borrowed from Cap America 1 (narratively) and waaaaaay too much CGI when practical effects or wire work would have been better for the fight scenes..

    If I were HZ, I'd want to leave that stuff and tackle more rewarding films. This could be why he's working on Dark Phoenix. Not that I know what his motivation was for leaving the DC world of comic movies, but we all know that writing music for inspired great movies is a lot easier than trying to compose masterpieces to sub par cinematic offerings (Goldsmith got stuck with a lot of crappy films in his time but wrote some amazing scores nonetheless).
     
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    To me, it's completely the opposite. I thought BvS was way way better then Civil War, and I thought Wonder Woman was so inferior to MoS and BvS. I know I'm in minority but I don't consider MCU films to be something special, but I think Mos and BvS UE are the two best CBMs since Nolan's The Dark Knight.

    As for the DCEU future, the should definitely bring the Zimmer's themes back. And definitely not use the old Williams and Elfman themes or create something new again. Hans' stuff was perfect. I'm just transcribing all the MoS themes and wow, I love them, I haven't even realized how many themes are there and all are so catchy. MoS 2 without Zimmer would be pretty meh.
     
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    Marvel movies are pretty bad too, you just don't pay attention or can't see it because the bar is too low. I'm not saying they don't have cool moments but overall they're below average, they're silly, some are even stupid (Iron Man 2 and 3, Thor, The Avengers 1 and 2, Captain America 1).

    DC movies have a lot of problems too, specially Justice League (it's completely trash).
    Batman V Superman has the best 3 scenes I've seen in all the superhero movies (Metropolis battle scene, Batman warehouse fight scene and Must there be a superman? scene).
     
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  13. dcoscina

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    I think our difference in perspective probably relates to our ages. I'm 50 and came up in a very different era of filmmaking where the editing was not as frenetic and the overall movie experience wasn't an assault on one's senses. Good action movies were things like First Blood (the original) or Enter the Dragon (great Schifrin score) which had scenes of high intensity but weren't edited with cuts under 24 frames per second. Even Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back were paced and cut together in a manner that could be understood. I won't say Marvel doesn't suffer from some of this. Civil War and Winter Soldier are great but not from an action standpoint but a narrative one. The fight sequences are too quickly edited and even though the filmmakers purport to have their actors put through rigorous training, they still use quick editing and close shots with shaky cameras to compensate for the fact that they aren't skilled fighters

    Anyhow that's OT a little bit.

    I thoroughly enjoyed the Nolan DK series and Hans' music as well. They elevated the comic book genre. Superman had moments of brilliance (like the bar scene which I thought was outstanding- more of that and less of the second half of the movie with non-stop fighting would have been better).

    I will point out one of the best comic book movies (and scores) was Shyamalan's Unbreakable (scored by JN Howard). For me, that's the best superhero movie ever made with possibly Brad Bird's The Incredibles coming in a close second. But that's me
     
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    To this point I whole heartedly agree. I would have much preferred a HZ Wonder Woman score though I won't lie and admit that a Shirley Walker WW score would have been awesome. God rest her soul.
     

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