jaketanner
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I think the dynamics are controlled via velocity and mod wheel is the vibrato...isn't this how the full version works also?no dynamics crossfading
I think the dynamics are controlled via velocity and mod wheel is the vibrato...isn't this how the full version works also?no dynamics crossfading
I think the dynamics are controlled via velocity and mod wheel is the vibrato...isn't this how the full version works also?
Ah, then this is a no go for me...don't want to be that limited then.Don’t recall exactly, but I think that’s correct. I like being able to craft arcs by swelling sustained notes in and out (and additional vibrato sculpting). My understanding is that this isn’t possible with the JB, at least the crossfading between dynamic layers bit.
Ah, then this is a no go for me...don't want to be that limited then.
This is the full version no? I think it's far advanced from what you can achieve with the Essentials though. The tone might be the same, but without the extra articulations to give it life, I am not sure it's worth getting...especially now since there are no dynamic crossfades.But listen to a track like this
This is the full version no? I think it's far advanced from what you can achieve with the Essentials though. The tone might be the same, but without the extra articulations to give it life, I am not sure it's worth getting...especially now since there are no dynamic crossfades.
wish there was more info on it...yes its cheap, but still, once the intro promo ends, it's still limited. I think this essential violin came about after the SF virtuoso violin was broken off...that's also $99, but I think the JBE may be more bang for the buck. BTW, I have the full SF solo strings and that virtuoso isn't worth it...don't like it at all personally.Yes, that demo is the full version. (It did appear to be on the essential page at one point ... but upon reflection think that might have been an error when during the APD screw up before the release.)
I don't know if the de/crescends are included in the essential version.
BTW, I have the full SF solo strings and that virtuoso isn't worth it...don't like it at all personally.
Best use I’ve found is the first desk added to drier ensemble strings give a lot more depth to the sound. They’re not exposed solos but as first chairs they might do well.I think I agree with you on that point. Not very pleased with the SF Solo Strings overall, but part of it is probably my fault too. I was hoping the close mic would give me a more intimate sound but it’s pretty bad. Almost sounds completely mono to me, and still too much room. And the dynamics/vibrato crossfading isn’t really my cup of tea, pretty bumpy affair. However, I’ve managed to get some decent results blending them with the Embertone ISS strings actually, so I think I’ll still find some use for them.
Yes, I spent yesterday trying to sculpt the lowest dynamic layer in the JB Violin. It was quite resistant to the performance I wanted and would have been a relatively simple matter to coax out of one of the SF violins. I’m still learning the JB so maybe I’m missing something but I suspect the behavior I got is what the instrument is designed to deliver. Don’t get me wrong, I very much like the JB Violin and it is far more versatile than I had feared. But it is nevertheless optimized for certain things and those things appear to come at the cost of other things.As even, the point I would make, it makes no sense to compare sampled solo violins without a sense of the expressive space you're looking for.
Spitfire and JB (both of which I bought pretty much instantly on their release) are equally spectacular doing what they do best - and equally terrible outside of their respective sweet spots. They're designed for very different expressive spaces, on all kinds of level (artistic, stylistic, ensemble vs solo, plus the sonority and engineering).
So "Bang for the buck" is a metric that I don't think means anything without adding a lot of context .
JB is more plonkable right out of the box though, and offers more instant gratification. The spitfire Virtuosic Vl by its nature lets you craft performances with much more expressive control in the dynamics. A consequence plus of this is that you have to learn to craft performances - ie its also possible to craft bad performances in these dimension. So it's got poor plonkabiliy, but a little work on how to craft the performances really pays off.
I'm just very happy to have both (and just picked up Emotional Violin too, with opens up a whole other expressive space again, even more orthogonal to the JB and SF instruments that I original thought).
did you get the Essential?Yes, I spent yesterday trying to sculpt the lowest dynamic layer in the JB Violin
No, the full version.did you get the Essential?
It's possible to do this, even with the essential version. Just go to "Control" and then there will be options to adjust dynamics with modwheel/cc01, etc. I was surprised how many features this has for an "essential"version, I don't even use most of the articulations from the full version except legato and spiccato anyway lol.Don’t recall exactly, but I think that’s correct. I like being able to craft arcs by swelling sustained notes in and out (and additional vibrato sculpting). My understanding is that this isn’t possible with the JB, at least the crossfading between dynamic layers bit.
Where it says vibrato amount...from what I saw, it's just an on/off thing right? I mean there is no crossfading between how much vibrato you can have is there?It's possible to do this, even with the essential version. Just go to "Control" and then there will be options to adjust dynamics with modwheel/cc01, etc. I was surprised how many features this has for an "essential"version, I don't even use most of the articulations from the full version except legato and spiccato anyway lol.
Not quite. From the manual (full version):Where it says vibrato amount...from what I saw, it's just an on/off thing right? I mean there is no crossfading between how much vibrato you can have is there?
IThe other thing that strikes me as a bit odd, is that there are no demos anywhere of what the Essential has to offer except the one video on the Embertone site...not the greatest though. Nothing on YT either. Had Embertone did a proper walkthrough of this, I bet many more people would be getting it right now instead of having second thoughts about how scaled down it is.,,at least I am.
The other thing that strikes me as a bit odd, is that there are no demos anywhere of what the Essential has to offer except the one video on the Embertone site...not the greatest though. Nothing on YT either. Had Embertone did a proper walkthrough of this, I bet many more people would be getting it right now instead of having second thoughts about how scaled down it is.,,at least I am.
I'm still torn if the Essential JB is useable for a solid solo performance. I most likely wouldn't use many articulations anyway...if it's that much work MIDI-wise, I'd just hire a live violinist...but for a simple mockup to get the idea across...is it good for that? Will I miss staccato or is spiccato good enough? And lastly, is the vibrato very over the top that it can't really do normal, less expressive passages well? Listening to the full version of JB isn't fair since you can control the amount of vibrato...Essential it's on or off. Thanks again.
The Joshua Bell (even essential) is the most Virtuoso sounding kontakt library I've ever used, for any instrument, not even just for violin. It blows the Spitfire Performance Violin out of the water.wish there was more info on it...yes its cheap, but still, once the intro promo ends, it's still limited. I think this essential violin came about after the SF virtuoso violin was broken off...that's also $99, but I think the JBE may be more bang for the buck. BTW, I have the full SF solo strings and that virtuoso isn't worth it...don't like it at all personally.