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That is what makes the conversation lively.
Lively, but irrelevant. I should probably have worded the title better.
That is what makes the conversation lively.
Lively, but irrelevant. I should probably have worded the title better.
I would say Star Wars has made JW and his music more famous than the other way around.
I really don't get the people who want a "memorable theme" in every movie. Film scores should serve the thematic and emotional content of the picture: a cold and distant Kubrick-esque film is better supplemented with disorienting textures than some kitchen sink jingle. I've noticed that Zimmer detractors often cite his use of ambience over melody but in most cases that's just what works best.
I do agree that "epic" trailer music is egregiously corny and bad.
Nobody is saying every movie should have one, but I welcome you to name one movie from the past decade that did.
Wonderful hommage to Williams' themes, modern orchestration yet respectful of the classic SW scores… I still remember the chills down my spine at the climax of TFA trailer 2, just before Han's final clip.
I'd love to know what composer/company made those pieces.
Nobody is saying every movie should have one, but I welcome you to name one movie from the past decade that did.
Dunkirk had an incredible theme.
More people can hum the theme than there are people that have actually watched the movies. So yeah, it did.
JW went on to do Indiana Jones, E.T., Harry Potter, Schindler's List, Home Alone, JFK, Jurassic Park, four different Olympic Games, and Superman.
George Lucas went on to do Howard The Duck, Red Tails, and Attack Of The Clones.
George Lucas was lucky to have John (and Ralph McQuarrie and Harrison Ford and Ben Burtt, the other major talents who made SW a hit) not the other way around
Also before John Williams ever met George Lucas he was already an Academy Award winner (Fiddler On The Roof) with a 20 year career in film and TV and multiple hit films (The Poseidon Adventure, The Towering Inferno) including the top grossing film ever before Star Wars (Jaws).
Nobody is saying every movie should have one, but I welcome you to name one movie from the past decade that did.
Ok, lets go and talk some real examples here. And lets take this one:
This is mutilating everything what star wars music is all about. It may be a matter of standpoint, but imo you shouldn´t put such a legacy of starwars music in the stinky hands of an amateur who has no idea how to write in that idiom. So why they are doing that?
This is also the reason why we don´t have any diversity anymore in music regardless trailer or film because everything is trying to be totally unified.
I guess because he has a record of creating trailer tracks that people have enjoyed and have helped gain attention for the films they are promoting.
Calling someone a stinky handed amateur just seems petty to me, if you detest trailer music so much why engage with it? If you have a better alternative that the studios want to use then go out and create it.
Not sure what you're watching to believe this but my top films of the last few years have incredibly diverse soundtracks. Even within trailers there is a an amount of diversity, sure, there is a popular style at any given time but what trailer houses ask for the most is for something unique and identifiable.
Ok, lets go and talk some real examples here. And lets take this one:
While I think that this belongs still to the category of music I ask myself what producers / filmcompanies were thinking to put this sorry musical garbage for an official trailer track? This is mutilating everything what star wars music is all about. It may be a matter of standpoint, but imo you shouldn´t put such a legacy of starwars music in the stinky hands of an amateur who has no idea how to write in that idiom. So why they are doing that? There are people out there who could do a so much better job with that imo. Why everything has to sound like that epic with dull orchestrations and that horrible godzilla drums around? Sure that this is just my opinion and everybody is entitled to have their own opinion which is fine, but let me recapitulate my last comment: This is also the reason why we don´t have any diversity anymore in music regardless trailer or film because everything is trying to be totally unified.
But to clarify: The composer of this trailer is not to blame at all, he just does his job. When there is someone to blame then this stupid producers and companies out there.
. And sure agreed it is not the nicest thing what I said about a composer but should someone do music for such a legacy when he didn´t have any fundamentals in this field there? Nothing to blame the composer, but I don´t think that this is a good idea.
I am curious: What top movies do you have? And how they sound like? I would like to add: I don´t say that filmmusic in general is bad nowadays, but I say that filmmusic in this blockbuster / Marvel franchise is definitely very mediocre and very less diverse in its handwriting, or I can´t detect any handwriting in such music anymore because what I said: It is very simplified by its harmony and very unified by its instrumentation. And that comes both together.