So there is most definitely a difference between using CC7 and CC11...at least within the Synchron Player. CC11 is so damn smooth and musical, while CC7 seems very harsh and less forgiving...so there has to be some sort of resolution difference in the way it responds.
Awesome thank you. So I’m not just hearing things. LolYes, 'normally' CC7 sets the course volume (that's an MSB in MIDI speak) und CC11 allows finer control of the volume 'around' the value of CC7.
Although the official specs say that CC39 is the fine control (LSB) for CC7, practically most(?) implementations use CC11 (as deafult).
Here's the MIDI paper, CCs at the last pages.
An Intro to MIDI – MIDI.org
www.midi.org
Official MIDI specs and stuff: https://www.midi.org/
Both values being equal starting points of 127...I'll move the volume CC7 up and down during a string passage...then back to 127 and switch to CC11...same movements and there is a clear sonic difference. CC11 is much smoother and nicer compared to moving the volume...at least within VSL and BBCSO.,,but more noticeable within Synchron Player.cc#11 is a "subset" of CC#7, volume. IF you have your cc#7 set at 110, cc#11 will go from 0% of cc7 at 110 to 100% of cc#7 at 110...if that makes sense
Indeed..I think the point I was making mores was that there is a clear sonic difference between using CC11 and CC7 interchangeably. Personally, Ive always just used the dynamics of an instrument to control the volume, then automated it within my DAW if I needed further help...but I think I'm going to try and use CC11 along with dynamics...might make mixing in the end a bit easier.Well, to reiterate from last time, there is no reason I can think of in normal operation to move CC7 on an instrument track. You can set and forget a CC7 tag for each instrument at the start of your template that balances the orchestra properly. Thereafter CC11 on individual MIDI regions can fade down specific instrument volumes when you need them to, like for example the tail end of a note.
If you want to raise your global music volume during a cue the best way to do that is to have a master music bus, or a VCA fader that controls all music stem buses.
Not sure I follow...Once the mix is done and stems are made, the automation is locked in...what's to conform?Track automation is a bad idea generally because it makes conforming to picture harder.. at least in LogicX.... Like if you have to do it you have to do it, but using a MIDI message inside a MIDI region will travel & splice easier when you're conforming because it moves right along with the notes.
BBC Core is definitely easier...but more limited as a whole.Very helpful thread! For a beginner like me, I think I’m over using cc11 and cc7, messing up my balance and making things unnecessarily complicated. Then again, I’m using the cinesamples composers toolkit, and understand some instruments I should be utilizing cc11. These days I wonder if bbcso core might be easier for me to work with.
...... some developers 'normalize' samples and some do not. That is my guess as to why you see some folks riding 2 faders
..... With an attempt to create consistency within the patches, some developers end up "ironing out" volume levels of their samples. And by volume levels I am referring to amplitude or loudness not timbral dynamics.
It's usually best to normalise samples when they are going to be dynamically crossfaded, this helps greatly with avoiding chorusing. A lot of developers however will add a volume curve linked to CC1 (or whatever CC is being used to crossfade the layers) so that the natural volume difference is retained. I usually add a second volume modulator linked to the key range of the instrument as some instruments (especially woodwinds) have a large difference in dynamic and volume in their different registers and this volume range can't be realistically recreated by an overall volume curve.
Not quite. The "real" volume curve is reapplied in the sampler by the developer. As far as the end user is concerned it's business as usual and there is no need for them to do anything special to compensate for the normalisation as it's already been added into the modulator's internal curve.If I am understanding this right, normalizing samples helps avoid chorusing but requires riding CC11 to re-create the lost volume differences.
I use the Korg taktile.Thank you very much. What midi keyboard are you using?