Infinite Series (Aaron Venture) thread

ccook

New Member
Hey, I've had infinite woodwinds for a while and have been thinking about getting infinite brass but I want to ask, does IB blend well with sample modeling brass? I have SM Brass and quite like it but I thought it would be a good idea to mix the two together. I've tried mixing together SWAM solo strings with SM Strings to mixed results so I was wondering if these two would be different.

My idea was that mixing together two different methods of "modeling" would add some depth and realism while keeping the agility.
Hi aileero, I've been recently experimenting with a single SM Horn blended with a section of 4 Infinite 1.5 horns and I've found them to blend fantastically well as long as I used a wraparound (100%wet) reverb like 7th heaven with the SM Horn. I would say this blend of two different methods of "modelled" instruments definitely works as you might imagine.
 

aileero

New Member
Hi aileero, I've been recently experimenting with a single SM Horn blended with a section of 4 Infinite 1.5 horns and I've found them to blend fantastically well as long as I used a wraparound (100%wet) reverb like 7th heaven with the SM Horn. I would say this blend of two different methods of "modelled" instruments definitely works as you might imagine.
Nice! thanks for the answer, I always felt that the SM horns felt good but a little weak so its nice to hear it blends well with infinite
 

ccook

New Member
Nice! thanks for the answer, I always felt that the SM horns felt good but a little weak so its nice to hear it blends well with infinite
The weakest part of SM horns for me is definitely at the higher CC11 values/velocities, which IB handles fanstastically well.
 

shawnsingh

Senior Member
Thank you! And from the demo videos I understand that dynamics CC is mostly used, and others are used rarely and for effects only, is that right? So 99% of the time you only need velocity and dynamics
I think it's useful to control vibrato depth on a secondary CC.

Can you edit multiple lanes of CC at the same time in your DAW? In Cubase it's easily possible, so it's just as convenient to have many lanes as it is to have only one lane. I usually have note velocity, two CC controls, and even pitch bend, all in the note editor simultaneously.
 

I like music

Senior Member
I think it's useful to control vibrato depth on a secondary CC.

Can you edit multiple lanes of CC at the same time in your DAW? In Cubase it's easily possible, so it's just as convenient to have many lanes as it is to have only one lane. I usually have note velocity, two CC controls, and even pitch bend, all in the note editor simultaneously.
Aye. I have it set up so that there's a shortcut for different lane combinations. Press 1 and I get velocity + modulation.
Press 2 and I get vibrato depth and speed
Etc etc

Makes life so easy. Ps I even managed, with someone's help on this forum, to get it so that if I press a key, it opens up all the flutes in the editor (same for other instruments)

Drawing it in couldn't get easier. Now I just need to try to get cubase through my touchscreen pen tablet that I can use a pen to draw.
 

I like music

Senior Member
how'd you manage that?
I will post some screenshots of the logical editor that allows you to do that. Truth is, I have no idea how to do it, but a few forum members solved it for me! I'm not in the same city as my computer right now so might take a few days. However, there is a thread here where they made the instructions for me, so I'll link you to that sooner. SUPER time saver!
 

mikeh-375

old school
So, Infinite Woodwinds is just kicking and screaming for some Ravel, right? Here's a 20-second quick one for you. Enjoy!
...thanks for that @shawnsingh. I really appreciate that as I am about to buy something and it's come down to AV IB and Winds or SynchronPro. I have until Monday to decide.
Snippets like that are incredibly helpful to me as I am writing concert music these days. The Ravel is a favourite work of mine.
 

Mikro93

Active Member
Could somebody render me some lines with the saxophones from IW?
Nothing fancy, just to have an idea of how it sounds for some lyrical stuff (maybe some Shostakovitch?), and some jazzy, punchy lines, staccato stuff? That would be very appreciated :)
 

Woodie1972

Active Member
I'm a bit at the end of my options at the moment. I have to admit I'm not the best in mixing, but I know my way around the plug-ins quite well, but here goes:

Although I love the playability of the library, what bothers me is the overall sound of the libraries, especially IW. I've tried EQ, different settings in Kontakt for the instruments (mics, halls, studio with my own reverb), played with early and late reflections under the hood, but I can't get it to sound right.
For IB I have to say that trumpets, horns and tuba are okay, but I simply can't get the Trombone to sound right in louder phrases, even when I don't exceed CC1 at a max of 100.

The woodwinds are much more difficult as I think almost all instruments (except English horn, the bassoon family and the bass clarinet), do have a thin sound, or don't have the piercing high register you would expect for flute, piccolo, and clarinets. The oboe lacks body and the clarinets and soprano and alto saxophone sound synthetic.

Personally I really love the sound of the VSL Woodwinds, it would be a dream come true if I could get IW to sound the same, or at least something comparable.

Please don't read my post as a complaint to Aaron and the great job he does, but as a request for tips to get a great sound.
 

Jonathan Moray

Professional Procrastinator
I'm a bit at the end of my options at the moment. I have to admit I'm not the best in mixing, but I know my way around the plug-ins quite well, but here goes:

Although I love the playability of the library, what bothers me is the overall sound of the libraries, especially IW. I've tried EQ, different settings in Kontakt for the instruments (mics, halls, studio with my own reverb), played with early and late reflections under the hood, but I can't get it to sound right.
For IB I have to say that trumpets, horns and tuba are okay, but I simply can't get the Trombone to sound right in louder phrases, even when I don't exceed CC1 at a max of 100.

The woodwinds are much more difficult as I think almost all instruments (except English horn, the bassoon family and the bass clarinet), do have a thin sound, or don't have the piercing high register you would expect for flute, piccolo, and clarinets. The oboe lacks body and the clarinets and soprano and alto saxophone sound synthetic.

Personally I really love the sound of the VSL Woodwinds, it would be a dream come true if I could get IW to sound the same, or at least something comparable.

Please don't read my post as a complaint to Aaron and the great job he does, but as a request for tips to get a great sound.
Why not post an example? It's much easier for us to assess what the problems you are having might be and how you might remedy them if we might actually hear the problems.

I do see this a lot; people complain or say that they are having trouble and then they don't even post any audio examples of the issues they are having, making it almost impossible to know if it's a mix problem, an instrument problem, or a user problem. Why not just do a few quick examples with the instruments you want help with and see if someone can help you?
 

Ivan Duch

New Member
I'm a bit at the end of my options at the moment. I have to admit I'm not the best in mixing, but I know my way around the plug-ins quite well, but here goes:

Although I love the playability of the library, what bothers me is the overall sound of the libraries, especially IW. I've tried EQ, different settings in Kontakt for the instruments (mics, halls, studio with my own reverb), played with early and late reflections under the hood, but I can't get it to sound right.
For IB I have to say that trumpets, horns and tuba are okay, but I simply can't get the Trombone to sound right in louder phrases, even when I don't exceed CC1 at a max of 100.

The woodwinds are much more difficult as I think almost all instruments (except English horn, the bassoon family and the bass clarinet), do have a thin sound, or don't have the piercing high register you would expect for flute, piccolo, and clarinets. The oboe lacks body and the clarinets and soprano and alto saxophone sound synthetic.

Personally I really love the sound of the VSL Woodwinds, it would be a dream come true if I could get IW to sound the same, or at least something comparable.

Please don't read my post as a complaint to Aaron and the great job he does, but as a request for tips to get a great sound.
My first impression with the flutes was similar to that. I was comparing it to Hollywood Winds which have way more air noise in the samples and that was kind of my subjective realism standard.

Then I started listening to several recordings I wanted to emulate with IW and realized flute tones varies a lot from recording to recording and many times it sounds closer to what I hear in IW rather than HWW.

So, I think maybe the realistic tone is a bit of a subjective perception based on the samples we are used to hearing.

Then, there's the realistic expression factor. IW lacking much of the baked in expression in most libraries requires you to play/program it more carefully. The first step I took was to download many of the midi files present in this thread and Aaron's site. I was amazed at how expressive and real sounding the library can be after loading those midi files on my DAW.

I'm currently trying to emulate the phrases used in the Bogano theme from Fallen Order. I'm getting closer with IW than anything I tried before. Here is the track, I think it has an amazing use of winds.

As a last word and a testament to the subjectivity of the topic: Many of the instruments you name in IW as realistic were named by a few as the more unrealistic.

 

lucor

Senior Member
Anyone else having severe performance issues in REAPER when playing in several instruments at the same time?
I can't even play in all 6 horns at once without REAPER starting to crackle at 256 samples (in Cubase I can do the same thing at 128 samples at it doesn't even break a sweat).

I remember REAPER having severe performance issues when record arming multiple tracks, but not being able to record at least 6-8 instruments at once would be quite a limitation.
 
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NeonMediaKJT

Active Member
Anyone else having severe performance issues in REAPER when playing in several instruments at the same time?
I can't even play in all 6 horns at once without REAPER starting to crackle at 256 samples (in Cubase I can do the same thing at 128 samples at it doesn't even break a sweat).

I remember REAPER having severe performance issues when record arming multiple tracks, but not being able to record at least 6-8 instruments at once would be quite a limitation.
Yeah, it seems to be Mozarteum that's doing it. when I switch to Bersa the issue seems to go away.
 

lucor

Senior Member
Yeah, it seems to be Mozarteum that's doing it. when I switch to Bersa the issue seems to go away.
Not for me unfortunately, but I'm also 99.9% sure that it's a REAPER issue and not one of the library.

Does anyone know of any secret options in the REAPER preferences that will improve performance with multiple armed tracks?