How to deal with Sends and Stem Exports?

karelpsota

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I would always use sends because it was convenient and CPU efficient to have one reverb on various instruments....

But now that I'm required to deliver stems that sound like my master. I find myself duplicating reverbs on each bus. Its a bit annoying.

What is the most efficient technique in your opinion?

(My sends are 3 different reverbs, 2 delays, 1 parallel comp, 1 disortion)
 

CACKLAND

Active Member
Which DAW?

In most cases, this is my routing.

Ensemble (Strings) (Multiple Midi channels) > String Ensemble Group / Aux
Ensemble (Woodwinds) (Multiple Midi channels) > Woodwind Ensemble Group / Aux
Ensemble (Brass) (Multiple Midi channels) > Brass Ensemble Group / Aux
Ensemble (Percussion) (Multiple Midi channels) > Percussion Ensemble Group / Aux
Ensemble (Synth) (Multiple Midi channels) > Synth Ensemble Group / Aux

These all route into a Pre - Master Bus / Aux

All my send channels also route into the Pre - Master Bus / Aux

Pre - Master Bus / Aux > Master Output

(This is one method i utilise. It allows me multi stage configuration to mix into the next chain)

Hope that helps :)
 
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karelpsota

karelpsota

http://karelpsota.com/
I'm on Ableton Live 9.6.

I think I understand your setup.

My problem is I don't use multiple midi.
I use one Kontakt instance per instrument.
Each individual instrument has its own amount of send (which is often automated too).
 

Jdiggity1

Senior Member
Moderator
You'll need an FX bus for each stem if you want to print them simultaneously.
Otherwise, just keep working the way you're working and solo the relevant tracks when you need to bounce to stems (tedious, but can offer more control).
 

Gerhard Westphalen

Scoring Mixer
If you need all of that processing on most of the stems and there aren't too many stems then it's probably easiest to solo. If you need a lot of stems then you should recreate those sends for each stem.

You need to be careful with any sort of dynamics processing and many nonlinear distortion plugins if you're soloing for exporting stems. In that case you'll need to set up a bus with the master mix which you can use to sidechain those plugins.
 

CACKLAND

Active Member
Ableton Routing:

Here is an working example inside Ableton Live 9.6

String Ensemble Group > 5 Instances of Kontakt (each have a separate channel) - Route to 'String Stem'

Aux / Return Channel (A Reverb) - Route to 'String Stem'

String Stem
(Audio Channel)
Set Monitor to 'In' for Playback & Recording
Arm Audio Track to record

For Playback of printed stem, set monitor to 'Auto'

This routing setup allows for grouped individual kontakt instances and sends / returns to be printed into one stem.

Hope that helps :)

 
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karelpsota

karelpsota

http://karelpsota.com/
Thank you all for your responses.

I'm a bit busy right now.
I will test all these routing options later this week.
 
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KEnK

Senior Member
Besides the reverb quandary is mix bus compression (if you use it)
Towards that end here's a tutorial by Eric Tar about how to side chain
different stems so the bus compression remains the same.
It's a rock tune but the technique would apply to any style

k

 

waveheavy

Active Member
I would always use sends because it was convenient and CPU efficient to have one reverb on various instruments....

But now that I'm required to deliver stems that sound like my master. I find myself duplicating reverbs on each bus. Its a bit annoying.

What is the most efficient technique in your opinion?

(My sends are 3 different reverbs, 2 delays, 1 parallel comp, 1 disortion)
What I do is create stereo Audio tracks for all the MIDI tracks.

The Audio tracks outputs are then sent to the various Group Buses.

Each Audio track's send sets the reverb(s) for that individual track. It's a bit more work, but you have complete control over effects for each Audio track.