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How good is Artvista Malmsjö really?

Hans Adamson

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Thanks Jay, That was beautiful! I hear immediately that the EXS version (a version created by EXS when importing the original Kontakt version) has put the velocity mapping transitions higher. So the EXS will trigger a softer dynamic layer, in this piece maybe only from the ppp layer. This could be achieved in the Kontakt version by selecting a different keyboard response from the interface.
 
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Ashermusic

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Thanks Jay, That was beautiful! I hear immediately that the EXS version (a version created by EXS when importing the original Kontakt version) has put the velocity mapping transitions higher. So the EXS will trigger a softer dynamic layer, in this piece maybe only from the ppp layer. This could be achieved in the Kontakt version by selecting a different keyboard response from the interface.
Thanks Hans (and love to Amanda.)

I am sure that is true but as a Logic user, I don't care. :) I load up the EXS24 patch, play, and as you heard, I feel inspired. I also love the Midnight Grand and Mozart patches btw.
 

CGR

Pianist, Composer & Arranger
Hans, I don't doubt any off that, but I don't choose the Malmsjö to be versatile, but when I want a specific sound and for whatever reason, the default presets in the EXS24 version just put it where I want it more than the Kontakt ones.

Here is the Dream Grand preset, no verb on either, first with the EXS24 and then Kontakt. I tried to make the volumes commensurate as Kontakt version is louder by a considerable amount upon loading.

Lovely playing Jay - this is the ideal type of music for the ArtVista Malmsjö in my opinion. It's really important to select the best velocity setting/keyboard profile in the Kontakt versions of the ArtVista pianos (or in EXS, the best preset for the piece you're playing). It makes a huge difference when the velocity layers are mapped appropriately to how your keyboard transmits the MIDI velocity data.
 

Ashermusic

Senior Member
Lovely playing Jay - this is the ideal type of music for the ArtVista Malmsjö in my opinion. It's really important to select the best velocity setting/keyboard profile in the Kontakt versions of the ArtVista pianos (or in EXS, the best preset for the piece you're playing). It makes a huge difference when the velocity layers are mapped appropriately to how your keyboard transmits the MIDI velocity data.

Oh, but I didn't play it on Kontakt. I played it on the EXS24 and then copied the region to the Kontakt version, lowering the volume to make them closer.
 

CGR

Pianist, Composer & Arranger
Oh, but I didn't play it on Kontakt. I played it on the EXS24 and then copied the region to the Kontakt version, lowering the volume to make them closer.
Ah, OK. You got me curious about the EXS24 version so called it up yesterday. The different presets (Dream, Midnight, Mozart, Rock etc.) really change the dynamics & response. As you said - load it up & play and get inspired.
 

Gerbil

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Bumping this just to say I bought the Supergrand and am thrilled with it. For some reason I thought it was going to be a bit like the Imperfect Samples Steinway - some sweet spots but compromised on playability - but I was very wrong. This is a lovely instrument to perform on. Obviously great for lyrical music but also more flexible than I thought.

What amazes me is the size of it. Some of the libraries are 100 times larger. It proves that you don't need a million layers and umpteen mic positions to craft a really good instrument. Just great ears and careful programming.
 

CGR

Pianist, Composer & Arranger
Bumping this just to say I bought the Supergrand and am thrilled with it. For some reason I thought it was going to be a bit like the Imperfect Samples Steinway - some sweet spots but compromised on playability - but I was very wrong. This is a lovely instrument to perform on. Obviously great for lyrical music but also more flexible than I thought.

What amazes me is the size of it. Some of the libraries are 100 times larger. It proves that you don't need a million layers and umpteen mic positions to craft a really good instrument. Just great ears and careful programming.
I agree. It just works, and is surprisingly flexible in shaping the tone from warm & wooly to bright & biting - great dynamic range. Also doesn't tax your computer resources in a multitrack project.
 

TigerTheFrog

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What amazes me is the size of it. Some of the libraries are 100 times larger. It proves that you don't need a million layers and umpteen mic positions to craft a really good instrument. Just great ears and careful programming.
Exactly. I know a developer who refuses to include the GB size of his libraries on his website, as a soft protest against the way some companies market their virtual instruments based on how much space they take up on your hard drive.
 

keepitsimple

Active Member
I see someone bumped this thread before to praise the Supergrand. Well...i'm bumping too just to say how good the Virtual Grand 3 is. I bought it last year then deleted it from my drive when upgrading my SSD and yesterday i requested the download files again and got it up and running.

Fantastic piano, yes it's an old Steinway B and the age shows when you play it but that's when the presets come in hence they skyrocket it to a very versatile piano that can easily stand its ground against some of the big names in piano sample libraries.

Bass is so rich and velvety and the tops sparkle (or not if you don't want them to).

Love this piano.
 
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CGR

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I see someone bumped this thread before to praise the Supergrand. Well...i'm bumping too just to say how good the Virtual Grand 3 is. I bought it last year then deleted it from my drive when upgrading my SSD and yesterday i requested the download files again and got it up and running.

Fantastic piano, yes it's an old Steinway B and the age shows when you play it but that's when the presets come in hence they skyrocket it to a very versatile piano that can easily stand its ground against some of the big names in piano sample libraries.

Bass is so rich and velvety and the tops sparkle (or not if you don't want them to).

Love this piano.
Yep, many sampled pianos I've bought over the years have come and gone, but the ArtVista pianos are keepers.
 

keepitsimple

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Yep, many sampled pianos I've bought over the years have come and gone, but the ArtVista pianos are keepers.
I'm guessing this one is their best fit for classical/jazzy stuff? I'm curious about the others, maybe i should ask Hans (the developer).
 

CGR

Pianist, Composer & Arranger
I'm guessing this one is their best fit for classical/jazzy stuff? I'm curious about the others, maybe i should ask Hans (the developer).
Not necessarily. The Supergrand is surprising flexible across many genres & styles, and The Malmsjo is great for soft lyrical classical (eg. Beethoven Sonatas, Eric Satie, Chopin Ballades & Nocturnes etc.) I'm not normally a fan of the 'hybrid piano' idea, but The Supergrand (which is an adjustable blend of the VGP3 and The Malmsjo) works really well, and has it's own sonic character which is different to the 2 pianos from which it was derived. It won't get you the same bite as the straight VGP3, or the complete warmth and mellowness of The Malmsjo, so I'm happy to have all 3 ArtVista Pianos.
 
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