What's new

Hollywood orchestra opus edition and hollywood orchestrator

szczaw

Active Member
Eh, apparently they have no deadlines. In the intro video it was stated: last time, we had unlimited time :grin:
 

Johnny

Active Member
I have a feeling they found a major issue. It looks to me like they were set to do an hour long livestream showing off OPUS but something happened which caused them to make the decision to cancel it and hold off because if said bug happened during the live stream, it could come with consequences of people coming to conclusions based on that alone which happens all the time (just look at how people handle when bugs happen to games at E3) so it was smart for them to pull it if it was that big an issue.

That said, they should have released a statement saying something along the lines of "We understand everyone is excited to see this new plugin in use but we found something that needs to be fixed. When we reveal this to you, we want to do so in the best possible way so we decided to not go forward with the livestream until we have a chance to fix the bug we found."

Something that simple would have saved a lot of face for the product because it lets people know why there was no stream and feels like they are at least trying to engage with their users which would be a huge leap for them since they aren't exactly known for being the most community engaging company.
I have a feeling they found a major issue. It looks to me like they were set to do an hour long livestream showing off OPUS but something happened which caused them to make the decision to cancel it and hold off because if said bug happened during the live stream, it could come with consequences of people coming to conclusions based on that alone which happens all the time (just look at how people handle when bugs happen to games at E3) so it was smart for them to pull it if it was that big an issue.

That said, they should have released a statement saying something along the lines of "We understand everyone is excited to see this new plugin in use but we found something that needs to be fixed. When we reveal this to you, we want to do so in the best possible way so we decided to not go forward with the livestream until we have a chance to fix the bug we found."

Something that simple would have saved a lot of face for the product because it lets people know why there was no stream and feels like they are at least trying to engage with their users which would be a huge leap for them since they aren't exactly known for being the most community engaging company.
Moments before the showcase, Doug heard CSWoodwinds, CSS Strings and JXL Brass not knowing they existed outside of the East West bubble... Then right before sound checking the live stream someone showed him Vista.
 

Jack All

New Member
I think it looks really promising. I'm sure that it will be a first class product. Not sure if I will buy it because I've already bought other orchestra samples - but it looks very tempting.

Regarding pricing: I'm sure East West knows exactly what they are doing. They know the prices already. Also for the price for upgrading. They just choose not to share it with us. I would prefer that they shared it with us already now. I think that is the only thing I don't like about this company. I own many of their products and they are top class. I never got problems with Play it works flawless on my Mac and has been doing so for many years.
 

manuhz

Disconnected member
To be honest, I did not expect something like this from a “serious” company lile EWQL. This is a very strange and ridiculous situation. In just 1 day I have lost my interest :(
 

NoamL

Winter <3
Of course it's all personal preference, but the number one thing I hear is "HWO sounds dated".
You mean shawn murphy's mixes sound dated? I guess I better stop listening to all that John Williams then if thats the case.
LOL why did no one call this out? Name one time Shawn Murphy or JW recorded at EW1. They record at Abbey Road, or SONY nowadays... both those stages are just about 200% the size of EW1! :) in both actual size and sound...

HWS Diamond might be their best library and has a REALLY nice sound... but the more I've developed critical listening, the more the brass and percussion sound cramped in EW1 compared to other options.

Also EW's practice of selling 1-mic versions of their libraries is like putting out the worst possible version of their sounds (it's no better when other devs do it like Spitfire Studio Orch).

This video is really illustrative, both of the limitations of the room and the limitations of the Gold versions: (and I'm not slamming the mockup, Andrew knows his stuff!)


As compared to a multi-mic implementation of an orchestra recorded at AIR:


The thing about EW is that they are in their own little universe, they pay no attention to what everyone else is doing. So when EW advertises that they've done "A better X than has ever been done before" what it translates to is "the best X among our EastWest products." When they advertise that their libraries are now more controllable and standardized... that's going to mean "the EastWest version of that" not "we went and looked at Spitfire's UACC and Cinematic Studio's GUI and learned how far behind we are."

I have some limited experience working with / for pro composers and yes many of them do have EW products in their template. There are plenty of sounds in EWHO and especially EWQLSO that are so well recorded they'll be used forever. If you want a one-shot cymbal swell they were able to record that just as well in 2003 as in 2019. I have not met anyone who has a sound built entirely or mainly around EW sounds though.
 
Last edited:
What I do have to give to people is that East West would be wise to change the way they communicate. The world of business has moved on from the 90's, and what was normal then isn't normal now anymore. You communicate with your users. People like to feel involved. They like to be given attention. The kind of business where everything happened behind a closed wall are gone.

It's this arrogant kind of behaviour that started to eat away at Cubase sales. Steinberg have since changed. They have felt the influence of companies like Presonus, Cockos and Ableton. I'm thankful for this kind of competition. It ultimately made Cubase a better program.

It's the kind of behaviour that will eventually lead Digital Performer to it's death. MOTU might think they're still in the 90's, but new composers aren't interested in them anymore. Either go with the way things have changed or go the way of the dinosaur. It will happen.

This will also lead to the downfall of Pro Tools. Eventually only established LA based studios will cling to it. It's actually already kind of happening. The reach of Pro Tools is much smaller than people over there think. It's still there, but it's really not the 'industry standard' anymore despite what people say. It's only an 'industry standard' if the 'industry' is Hollywood or large studios. Indie studios, bedroom studios are a real and viable alternative in many cases. Ignore that, and you will get left behind. The golden age of Hollywood is gone.

In fact, the reach of LA as the center of entertainment is still large, but also rapidly declining. And the reason is a refusal to look at the rest of the world and change.

In fact, if you really wanna go philosophical one might say this is happening to the US as a whole, but that is a story for another time. But the pendulum is swinging the other way. Globalization happened.

So, East West should also take note. They are still very powerful, and they make quality products (just like all of the aforementioned software is still quality) but things can change. I have to admit that Spitfire's BBCSO was a stroke of genius. The person who came up with the pricing scheme should be employee of the decade.
 

Wlad

Your Major Trill
HWS Diamond might be their best library and has a REALLY nice sound... but the more I've developed critical listening, the more the brass and percussion sound cramped in EW1 compared to other options.

Also EW's practice of selling 1-mic versions of their libraries is like putting out the worst possible version of their sounds (it's no better when other devs do it like Spitfire Studio Orch).

This video is really illustrative, both of the limitations of the room and the limitations of the Gold versions: (and I'm not slamming the mockup, Andrew knows his stuff!)


As compared to a multi-mic implementation of an orchestra recorded at AIR:

I just love it when someone takes two different songs from two different mockup creators, with different reverbs, mix depth, dynamics, programming skills... and tries to make a point by comparing them.
 

gst98

Active Member
LOL why did no one call this out? Name one time Shawn Murphy or JW recorded at EW1. They record at Abbey Road, or SONY nowadays... both those stages are just about 200% the size of EW1! :) in both actual size and sound...

HWS Diamond might be their best library and has a REALLY nice sound... but the more I've developed critical listening, the more the brass and percussion sound cramped in EW1 compared to other options.

Also EW's practice of selling 1-mic versions of their libraries is like putting out the worst possible version of their sounds (it's no better when other devs do it like Spitfire Studio Orch).

The thing about EW is that they are in their own little universe, they pay no attention to what everyone else is doing. So when EW advertises that they've done "A better X than has ever been done before" what it translates to is "the best X among our EastWest products."

I have some limited experience working with / for pro composers and yes many of them do have EW products in their template. There are plenty of sounds in EWHO and especially EWQLSO that are so well recorded they'll be used forever. I have not met anyone who has a sound built entirely or mainly around EW sounds.
What do you mean? Artist are only artists when they record in one specific hall? Lol. Go watch Eddy Van Halen playing an acoustic guitar, it still sounds like EVH because every nuance and idiosyncrasy is still there. Same goes for the artistry in engineering.

Just becuase it is recorded at EW1 does not mean it is not a Shawn Murphy sound. The same way Alan Meyerson records all over the place and it still has 'his sound'.
I can sort of see what you're trying to get at, but by that same thinking then why would you hire Shawn Murphy if only the room is important? I guess any old bloke at Abbey Road will get you the JW sound because engineering plays no part in the sound of an album?

FWIW, I think you missed the point of what I was saying, because I wasn't trying to imply that HWO is JW in a box, and I don't belive that at all and I agree with the room being too small (EWSO sounds nicer in terms of room sound imho). The point I was making was that it was recorded by a world class engineer who's work has stood the test of time, and saying the sound is out-dated would imply his other work would sounded too. The statment had little to do with JW, its just JW scores are ones everyone knows that Shawn Murphy engineered on.
 

muziksculp

Senior Member
What I do have to give to people is that East West would be wise to change the way they communicate. The world of business has moved on from the 90's, and what was normal then isn't normal now anymore. You communicate with your users. People like to feel involved. They like to be given attention. The kind of business where everything happened behind a closed wall are gone.

It's this arrogant kind of behaviour that started to eat away at Cubase sales. Steinberg have since changed. They have felt the influence of companies like Presonus, Cockos and Ableton. I'm thankful for this kind of competition. It ultimately made Cubase a better program.

It's the kind of behaviour that will eventually lead Digital Performer to it's death. MOTU might think they're still in the 90's, but new composers aren't interested in them anymore. Either go with the way things have changed or go the way of the dinosaur. It will happen.

This will also lead to the downfall of Pro Tools. Eventually only established LA based studios will cling to it. It's actually already kind of happening. The reach of Pro Tools is much smaller than people over there think. It's still there, but it's really not the 'industry standard' anymore despite what people say. It's only an 'industry standard' if the 'industry' is Hollywood or large studios. Indie studios, bedroom studios are a real and viable alternative in many cases. Ignore that, and you will get left behind. The golden age of Hollywood is gone.

In fact, the reach of LA as the center of entertainment is still large, but also rapidly declining. And the reason is a refusal to look at the rest of the world and change.

In fact, if you really wanna go philosophical one might say this is happening to the US as a whole, but that is a story for another time. But the pendulum is swinging the other way. Globalization happened.

So, East West should also take note. They are still very powerful, and they make quality products (just like all of the aforementioned software is still quality) but things can change. I have to admit that Spitfire's BBCSO was a stroke of genius. The person who came up with the pricing scheme should be employee of the decade.
Awesome post. Totally agree with you.

Even VSL has changed a lot lately, they have a very active company rep to help users on this forum. That was not the case in the past, they understand that things have changed, and are smart enough to change as well.

Communicating with your users, and potential customers is a must these days, being arrogant, and not bothering to communicate with them is a dumb thing to do if you are in business in 2021. I hope EW moves forward, and is not stuck in the 90's business model, and attitude.
 
Awesome post. Totally agree with you.

Even VSL has changed a lot lately, they have a very active company rep to help users on this forum. That was not the case in the past, they understand that things have changed, and are smart enough to change as well.

Communicating with your users, and potential customers is a must these days, being arrogant, and not bothering to communicate with them is a dumb thing to do if you are in business in 2021. I hope EW moves forward, and is not stuck in the 90's business model, and attitude.
Clinging to past victories is always dangerous as it can make you blind for the here and now. Eventually even the largest bastions in history will fall given enough time and not enough care.

I mean, I don't want to start about Kontakt, but let's just say that I hope they have a good roadmap for the future.
 

muziksculp

Senior Member
I mean, I don't want to start about Kontakt, but let's just say that I hope they have a good roadmap for the future.
I'm not optimistic about Kontakt's future, they couldn't make it a Scalable GUI in 2021. They also have a new owner of NI, who bought the majority shares, so maybe things will change, but not sure to the better or worse.
 

Kevinside

Active Member
hmm pro tools is in my personal workspace the industry standard...
Avid is everywhere... from TV to the studios...
One major Television company changed to Nuendo and installed Nuage Hardware...
I repeat; one...but no proplem for me, cause Nuendo works just fine with my Avid hardware...

But for my working environment, Pro Tools is the complete solution, which is used from small Project Studios to big Mixing Rooms...A lot of movies are mixed in PT till today...
The great thing is... I can start at home and move the project to a big post pro house...

EW is another story...This big Namm thing was a joke...and i personally don´t trust EW anymore...
I ignore this company, till HoOpus is done...cause every announcement, they make is a big lie in the end...

But i must admit... I don´t like companies, who make big promises with release dates...
In most cases, they fail...
 

Kevinside

Active Member
Thats true; Spitfire announce something and its available on the release day like the last library, which was released on January 21... :)
 

cqd

Senior Member
Are people forgetting spitfire were quite fond of hype until they got themselves completely burned by it?..
 

Johnny

Active Member
It would just be nice in 2021 to see EW formally address pulling the phantom on us though... I booked those hours off work, excited to see the reveal and walkthru. Not product walkthroughs from 2018 and 2019 thrown in replacement the day of... That's not even bad business practice, that's just bad form gents... A simple VI control post after the events to say, "Sorry guys, my car died on the way to NAMM... Or the review video isn't quite ready yet... We just haven't post produced it enough to our usual post proded standards of highly polished review videos." Anything along those lines would probably save a lot of sales that won't be occurring on release day now as a result...
 

Evans

Active Member
It would just be nice in 2021 to see EW formally address pulling the phantom on us though... I booked those hours off work, excited to see the reveal and walkthru. Not product walkthroughs from 2018 and 2019 thrown in replacement the day of... That's not even bad business practice, that's just bad form gents... A simple VI control post after the events to say, "Sorry guys, my car died on the way to NAMM... Or the review video isn't quite ready yet... We just haven't post produced it enough to our usual post proded standards of highly polished review videos." Anything along those lines would probably save a lot of sales that won't be occurring on release day now as a result...
My wife works in marketing for a large-ish software company, and I can't imagine them scheduling an hour demo or roadmap presentation for a conference and just saying, "Nah, never mind" or "Whoops, didn't mean to."

I'm not antsy about the release, but it is a goofy move.
 
Last edited:

Jose7822

Active Member
Man, I’m SUPER tempted to just buy BBCO PRO and be done with it. At the end of the day, EW is just playing catch up to modern libraries. Most of OPUS consists of the same sounds I already own anyway.

I’m getting impatient, lol.
 
Top Bottom