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Hollywood Choirs vs Symphonic Choirs

Seasharp

Member
Anyone have both of these Libraries or either and can give me an opinion of quality and use. Especially interested in the Wordbuilder feature. Seems complicated but powerful.

Thanks
Joe
 

TGV

Senior Member
I can only tell that getting SC to sing acceptably with WB is very much work. If you only need short phrases, or staccato vocals, things are a lot easier (though, as always: perfection requires effort).
 

Jdiggity1

Stroking The Frog
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I own both.
Hollywood Choirs is better in every way except for the fact it does not have any FX samples, boys, or soloists, where Symphonic Choirs does.
 

Breaker

Member
Hollywood Choirs only have two sections - women and men - while Symphonic Choirs have SATB sections, boys and soloists (soprano, alto and boy)
The wordbuilder is much more convincing and easier to use in HC and it's also more modern sounding in general.
 

Wolfie2112

Senior Member
I also have both. HC sounds wonderful, and it's nice and lush. I never had much luck with creating phrases in Wordbuilder (both HC and SC), I just use the included phrases. In big epic pieces, it's all gibberish anyways, but sounds awesome.

I still use SC quite a bit, it has so many other sections as others have mentioned, and I really like the soloist patches.
 
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Seasharp

Seasharp

Member
Anyone have both of these Libraries or either and can give me an opinion of quality and use. Especially interested in the Wordbuilder feature. Seems complicated but powerful.

Thanks
Joe

Thanks for the responses. I appreciate your feedback. I am reading the Symphonic and Hollywood Choir manuals and trying to understand Wordbuilder.
 

WhiteNoiz

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The Wordbuilder is actually really easy to grasp once you get the basics. They had a video with Nick Phoenix explaining it which gave you a good, quick overview to get you started. (This was probably the link - "EW/QL Symphonic Choirs Wordbuilder Tutorial - Nick Phoenix introduces the PLAY version of WordBuilder. Topics include Time Editor Overview, Optimizing Phrases, and Keyswitching Vowel Sounds.)

http://web.archive.org/web/20110716112629/http://www.soundsonline.com/Hollywood-Strings
http://web.archive.org/web/20110620163216/http://www.soundsonline.com/symphonic-choirs

It seems they've pulled the old ones. Bummer... Same for the Hollywood ones. I recall watching them. They've replaced everything with the new "Overview" ones, which they seem to also have re-uploaded quite a few times. They were also up for download on their site as you can see. They could still have them hidden somewhere. In general, they used to have a lot of outdated hidden pages. Should've saved them. :/

Edit: Yep, the old videos work, you can take them from the links above but I've also compiled them here if anyone's interested and missed them:
[High Quality]
http://media.soundsonline.com/tutorials/EW-182/EWQLSC-WB-Tutorial-Part-1.mov
http://media.soundsonline.com/tutorials/EW-182/EWQLSC-WB-Tutorial-Part-2.mov
http://media.soundsonline.com/tutorials/EW-182/EWQLSC-WB-Tutorial-Part-3.mov

[Lower Quality]
http://media.soundsonline.com/tutorials/EW-182/EWQLSC-WB-Tutorial-Part-1.mp4
http://media.soundsonline.com/tutorials/EW-182/EWQLSC-WB-Tutorial-Part-2.mp4
http://media.soundsonline.com/tutorials/EW-182/EWQLSC-WB-Tutorial-Part-3.mp4
 
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pmcrockett

Senior Member
I have a couple posts in a older thread comparing Symphonic Choirs to Hollywood Choirs -- basic comparison here, detailed comparison with audio here.

The wordbulder functions in basically the same way for both libraries, but it's easier to get good results in Hollywood Choirs, and Hollywood Choirs' default wordbuilder output sounds better with no tweaking than Symphonic Choirs' does.

For both, if you intend to get into the wordbuilder, you should be prepared to devote some substantial time to it. It's basically a mini multirack editor that you use to program crossfades among the various phonetic sounds. For the best results, you have to be patient, good at audio editing, and familiar with how a real choir sounds. If you want realistic words, particularly in English, there may be a lot of blending of multiple vowels involved, and it's very easy to go astray with this if you aren't already familiar with how choirs actually pronounce words.
 
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Shredoverdrive

Active Member
I have the Composer Cloud X subscription so I have used both choirs. HW is clearly better on all counts (except for the more limited content as noted above). The word builder is quite useable in my opinion. Hollywood Choirs is probably the only thing I will buy (heavily discounted, of course) when my subscription ends (I already own HWO and Spaces I).
 
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Seasharp

Seasharp

Member
I have the Composer Cloud X subscription so I have used both choirs. HW is clearly better on all counts (except for the more limited content as noted above). The word builder is quite useable in my opinion. Hollywood Choirs is probably the only thing I will buy (heavily discounted, of course) when my subscription ends (I already own HWO and Spaces I).


Thanks for all the information.
 

giwro

New Member
I'd say HC is much easier - I did a quick demo track with it (very little editing of crossfades, etc) of a Latin Sanctus, and it sounded pretty good. If I had spent time futzing with some of the curves, I'm sure it would have been even better. Have a listen if you like:
 

ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
I didn't find the SC word builder to be difficult, it just requires tweaking everytime to get a phrase to work.

the HC didn't feel a single ounce better in that regard, and doesn't have separate sections so I wasnt interested. Sonically I have VOTA as well, can write SATB, and I might very well throw it out the window for dominus 2 if Paolo strikes gold twice in row.
 

AndyP

Active Member
Honestly, i´ve tried them both and using the wordbuilder is not really different.
The Symphonic Choir has more flexibility and a beautiful boys choir which is the best I've ever heard. The wordbuilder works best with the boys choir, as it is the most clearly understandable.
But I rarely use the phraebuilder as a general, because the effort to build understandable phrases is high.
 

ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
They are both good, Wordbuuilder is indeed similar in both, I just prefer the sound of HC.
yeah I think the sound is different and its men women vs SATB, but the word builders aren't noticeably different

think people just feel like its newer, maybe it has more premade phrases, but I wouldn't use either out of the box - and both can get convincing diction just requires tweaking
 
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