Forum was upgraded tonight!

[creativeforge]

Then please enable the XenForo factory default theme as a user-choosable theme, just like what you did prior to upgrading from XF 2.1 to 2.2.

At this point there are no plans to do so. I'm sorry.

EDIT: but I will ask.

 

[ShikiSuen]

@ShikiSuen

have you thought about trying standup comedy or maybe taking up a new hobby?

Seriously...................

As one of my way of entertainment, I crafted the CSCN Anniversary theme for XenForo 2.2 but the admin here does not want any link of that be posted here.

Beware that it appears that the admin only cares about his reading comfort on Windows (similar to the previous US president who is careless about global warming). My motivation of asking him to change the font for non-Windows operating systems is that Verdana is functionally terrible on these non-Windows platforms. It even looks bigger than its ideal size in its each current font-size, comparing to how it looks like on Windows. // BTW, Verdana Pro is better than Verdana and is available (free) for Windows 10 users, and it does look better on macOS, too: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/verdana-pro/9n8d67vhhdc2

My major is composition, but my maniac hobby is typography (mixing texts of English, Chinese, and Japanese). I crafted all of my final Music History papers in LaTeX only, comparing those who can only use MS Word on Windows to generate giant-size PDF files and non-standard symbols of ♯s and ♭s (LaTeX can deal with them really well).

At this point there are no plans to do so. I'm sorry.

Nevermind. I just found Stylus plugin (much much better than the Stylish plugin I tried before). Stylus synchronizes my CSS settings across my computers, and its performance impact is small.

 

[ShikiSuen]

EDIT: but I will ask.

Thanks. I appreciate it. I'll wait for your good news.
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Replying to #145:

I wasn't meant to personally attack you. Your statement here proved me that I did a wrong assumption to your reasonings.

I am afraid that this conversation needs to be shifted to XenForo official forum:

Could anyone of XF devs please answer me why Verdana is deprecated as the main article font since XenForo 1?

I personally think that switching off Verdana (and use other sans-serif fonts instead) is a good decision. But I want to hear voices from official devs that why Verdana is not considered by them. Maybe they have different reasons, but it worths being heard. Informations in this thread will be...

xenforo.com

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Update:
Case settled at XenForo official forum.
I again apologize here for my disrespect in this thread.
Thanks to @creativeforge for his accommodation, and I respect his final decision.

 

[creativeforge]

Beware that it appears that the admin only cares about his reading comfort on Windows (similar to the previous US president who is careless about global warming). My motivation of asking him to change the font for non-Windows operating systems is that Verdana is functionally terrible on these non-Windows platforms.

Really, now.

 

[creativeforge]

As one of my way of entertainment, I crafted the CSCN Anniversary theme for XenForo 2.2 but the admin here does not want any link of that be posted here.

Beware that it appears that the admin only cares about his reading comfort on Windows (similar to the previous US president who is careless about global warming). My motivation of asking him to change the font for non-Windows operating systems is that Verdana is functionally terrible on these non-Windows platforms. It even looks bigger than its ideal size in its each current font-size, comparing to how it looks like on Windows. // BTW, Verdana Pro is better than Verdana and is available (free) for Windows 10 users, and it does look better on macOS, too: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/verdana-pro/9n8d67vhhdc2

My major is composition, but my maniac hobby is typography (mixing texts of English, Chinese, and Japanese). I crafted all of my final Music History papers in LaTeX only, comparing those who can only use MS Word on Windows to generate giant-size PDF files and non-standard symbols of ♯s and ♭s (LaTeX can deal with them really well).


Nevermind. I just found Stylus plugin (much much better than the Stylish plugin I tried before). Stylus synchronizes my CSS settings across my computers, and its performance impact is small.

I have referred your post and its content to the forum's moderators. I'm tech support, and this just got out of hands. I have treated you with respect and been patiently replying. I am not to blame if you cannot take NO for an answer. Personal attacks and insults are out of line and so this conversation is over for me.

Regards,

Andre

 

[creativeforge]

Seeing that Windows does not recognize the font Helvetica Neue but MacOS does, and that Windows recognizes Verdana, which the forum has always used, I have implemented a compromise where MacOS will now see Helvetica Neue as the main font but Windows will continue using the same font as before, Verdana.

Let me know if anyone notices a degradation in the quality of the fonts, if the text is harder or easier to read on MacOS (and IOS too, I guess) .

Regards,

Andre

 

[yiph2]

Hi! I'm on MacOS, the font has changed, and it is ok, however I prefer the old text as it is less dense. This is ok though. Is it possible to make an option to choose the font? Thanks!

 

[creativeforge]

Hi! I'm on MacOS, the font has changed, and it is ok, however I prefer the old text as it is less dense. This is ok though. Is it possible to make an option to choose the font? Thanks!

Thank you, I guess no changes will be implemented at this point. It will remain Verdana, and it will be left to each individual to use any extension they want to make fonts changes, or hack their own browsers.

Good night (9:12am, been up all night).

Happy 2021!

Andre

 

[Justin L. Franks]

Seeing that Windows does not recognize the font Helvetica Neue but MacOS does, and that Windows recognizes Verdana, which the forum has always used, I have implemented a compromise where MacOS will now see Helvetica Neue as the main font but Windows will continue using the same font as before, Verdana.

Thank you, I guess no changes will be implemented at this point. It will remain Verdana, and it will be left to each individual to use any extension they want to make fonts changes, or hack their own browsers.

So was this changed, then reverted back to the original? Because as of right now, Verdana is still the default font for me on MacOS after disabling any custom tweaks and clearing my browser cache to ensure I get a fresh copy of the CSS.

(It doesn't really matter to me, since I make a few tweaks to almost every website that I visit regularly, to use whatever fonts/spacing/etc I think looks best.)

 

[creativeforge]

So was this changed, then reverted back to the original? Because as of right now, Verdana is still the default font for me on MacOS after disabling any custom tweaks and clearing my browser cache to ensure I get a fresh copy of the CSS.

(It doesn't really matter to me, since I make a few tweaks to almost every website that I visit regularly, to use whatever fonts/spacing/etc I think looks best.)

Yes, before you refresh again, and without using any external tweaks, could you take a screenshot of what you see?

Then please refresh a few times and take a screenshot again, so we can see what you see?

Thank you,

Andre

 

[Justin L. Franks]

Yes, before you refresh again, and without using any external tweaks, could you take a screenshot of what you see?

Then please refresh a few times and take a screenshot again, so we can see what you see?

Thank you,

Andre

It starting showing up as Helvetica Neue a few minutes after I posted. It probably just took a little while for the changes to propagate to all the servers which host the forum. At the time I posted my earlier message, pulling a fresh copy of the CSS from a 'clean' browser still had the font-family for the message-body class as "Verdana, Arial, sans-serif". Now it is "'Helvetica Neue',Verdana,sans-serif".

 

[creativeforge]

It starting showing up as Helvetica Neue a few minutes after I posted. It probably just took a little while for the changes to propagate to all the servers which host the forum. At the time I posted my earlier message, pulling a fresh copy of the CSS from a 'clean' browser still had the font-family for the message-body class as "Verdana, Arial, sans-serif". Now it is "'Helvetica Neue',Verdana,sans-serif".

OK, and is it a noticeable and positive improvement?

 

[kmaster]

I think it’s definitely cleaner on my iPhone

 

[creativeforge]

I think it’s definitely cleaner on my iPhone

I need evidence, can you take a screenshot?

 

[kmaster]

I need evidence, can you take a screenshot?

 

[ka00]

It does feel a tad smaller than optimal in iOS on my iPhone. Is there a sizing option anywhere in the preferences?

 

[creativeforge]

It does feel a tad smaller than optimal in iOS on my iPhone. Is there a sizing option anywhere in the preferences?

Can you send me a screenshot of what you see?

 

[ka00]

Can you send me a screenshot of what you see?

 

[Justin L. Franks]

From my 5K iMac (temporarily set back to Verdana, so it looks like it does before the change):



And with the updated/current CSS, with Helvetica Neue:

 

[creativeforge]

From my 5K iMac (temporarily set back to Verdana, so it looks like it does before the change):

View attachment 42257

And with the updated/current CSS, with Helvetica Neue:

View attachment 42258

OK, on more try and that's it. Helvetica Neue needs to be probably 2 points bigger than Verdana to have the same clarity. Refresh you page and could you send me a new screenshot?