Expressive String libraries

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by JohnMarkPainter, Mar 9, 2019.

  1. Wolfie2112

    Wolfie2112 Senior Member

    Well, if you ever decide you like Hollywood Strings, just buy Gold when it's on sale and cancel the cloud.
     
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    Yikes!
    I just looked and Gold is only $139 right now....
     
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    8Dio Century Strings is an excellent contender : )
     
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    So I went ahead and grabbed the LASS First Chair.
    It's pretty crusty. I think it will be useful for me.

    Spitfire Solo vibratos bug me. Glitchy loops maybe?
    Sounds like a trill sometimes.
     
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    I find vibrato on those solo instruments works fine in context with an ensemble but it’s hard to control and often too much on its own. The progressive vibrato longs often work better if you don’t need the legato, and the virtuoso violin performance legato patch uses the progressive vibrato for its longs so it often works better if you need more varied vibrato. In any case, vibrato is definitely the hardest challenge with this library.
     
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    Just an FYI about BDio Intimate strings Disco presets.
    The runs aren't done well.
    Very loud attack and it dies off quickly before the run is over.

    I had to run it through hard compression to actually use it.

    I still like the recording on the old Smart Violins library
     
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    I just did a big lush VI String arrangement on a pop song using Iconica.

    Then I also exported the files using LASS Lite and Hollywood Gold.
    Tonally, Iconica is scooped. Works in some contexts.
    LASS has edge without being annoying.
    Hollywood sounds harsh in comparison.
     
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    What does Scooped mean here ? Can you elaborate about this a bit further.

    Thanks.
     
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    EQ, tone of room. tone of the mics.

    Here is the same phrase with Iconic, LASS and Hollywood Gold.
    It was programmed for Iconica (and meant to have reverb which is turned off here).
    The Portamentos in the LASS clip were unintentional. Iconica was used on the record.

    Hollywood has a more nasal/honk to it.
    Could be good for cutting through a track.
    Iconica stays out of the way is very wide.
    LASS seems tp be a good balance.

    My Iconica trial period is almost up so I am comparing.
    I have Play Composer Cloud for a few more months.
    I own LASS Lite.

     
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  10. Parsifal666

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    I think a truly expressive composer might be better off looking to eventually get their music played by actual instrumentalists.

    I don't even think "expressive" when I think of libraries. It's as @JohnG said, you won't get that with vsts (or at least nowhere near the degree an actual performance of your work would produce).

    I think I mentioned in another thread, there will never be a sample library that can match a soloist or ensemble for real, one whom knows your music inside and out for performance, heeding your input until you're satisfied. Even better, one that actually likes the music they're being paid to play (this last I learned with my own music...if they love or even really like it, it will be astonishing, if they're noncommital it will be professional, if they hate it it will still be better than using libraries).

    I think HZ said it well: "there is no such thing as an orchestra in a box". There are however great sounding libraries that can be really inspiring and work terrific...toward making mock ups.
     
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    Metallica, dude!
     
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    Yep...I've done that thousands of times and I am spoiled.

    But VI have advanced considerably in the last few years.
    Just controlling vibrato, dynamics (as opposed to just the volume) and the true legato/portamento/gliss thing is massive for me.

    I am really impressed with how much better it is than the old days.
    And I have clients that don't have the money for the real thing so I need to step up my VI game a bit.
     
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    I am working on a dance track right now and used the 8Dio Intimate Strings.
    I had to HEAVILY compress to get all the notes out of the fast runs.
    I probably could have layered some slow glisses in to smooth it out.
    I have also used Trills in the past for odd fingered glissando.

    This is the 8Dio.
    Focused tone, it is a dense track.
     
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    Updated and added a comparison track
     
  15. JohnBMears

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    Hey John I’m near Murfreesboro and have most of the libraries mentioned here if you wanna come by and demo them.
     

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