Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by jneebz, Oct 25, 2018.
Cry and write a good choir composition about that. Then laugh.
Have no real idea yet as the snail paced SFA downloading/downloader? is screwing with everyone... and haven't used EWHC for years... but I'd say no, it's closer to Orchestral Tools awesome choirs... OT's latest offering, Time Macro delves a bit deeper into this evo like territory and I'm SOOOOO loving it! Glad to see OT is continuing to offer these beyond the norm orchestrals (gee, couldn't say that in Commercial!). I've been just loving Time Macro and this is what helped me pull the trigger here. I have a bunch of choirs I just don't use but these new offerings give the degree of emotion and uniqueness I want, like Heavyocity's Gravity offerings
That's it. OT Time Macro has the same sounds plus the rest of the orchestra. Loving it so much. No need for Spitfire.
+1 Not blown Away...
Not me... Gave up being a slut years ago... but there's loads of escapees up here... quite amazing! i DO have a "Quantum" though!
It's been out less than a year, are you thinking of symphonic choirs?
"Loaded." Such a wonderful word.
OMG OMG OMG! Kids, this isn't your average choir. WHAT A SOUND! Right out of the box I was literally speechless after a few major 7ths with tensions.
We've been hearing the term "detail" thrown around a lot lately, well this one's got detail, I'm pretty sure I can hear every one of those singers as an individual, no exaggeration, and none of them needs to apologize for anything. It's just amazing! No amount of mixing on anything I have so far can get to this. I'm sitting here just hammering away with pretty much any old aleatoric mashup, and it's invariably gorgeous and distinct with zero mud.
Got things to do, see ya later. Don't wake me up in the morning.
Yea, I may regret it but I'll let you know next week when my download is finished! Then again, TM is more limited in scope, choir wise... but deeper in rhythmic awesomeness so... I DO hope OT keeps this up and maybe ARK 4 will have more... loving the pricing/content of OT lately, and they still support the forum.
Zimm... thanks for reminding me to not be so impulsive... especially with an ARK coming out soon, which might cover more of this arena... If I would have considered the download problems.... If I would have thought this through a bit more... (naw, I'll love it! I hope)
Yep! sorry! BRAIN FART!!!
And I DID listen to all of the recent stuff on EWHC...and reviews... Indeed, really wanted/hoped for a strong AI word builder revolution and hoped all the delays and hype would give us that! Commented lots on this in the months leading up to the library's release here at VIC. I would have snagged it in a second but wasn't impressed with the offering at all... But don't own it. Was too pissed at the letdown on word builder. Hoped it would be revolutionary. Definitely did NOT live up to all the hype.
Time Macro is an exceptionally inspiring library, but being that it's not a specialized choral instrument, it is much less fully-featured than the Eric Whitacre choir, though some sounds are similar. I own both and find the idea that there's "no need for Spitfire" odd and untrue. With that said, I think they will work well together and strongly recommend purchasing both to anyone who is able to do so.
Same... I wasn't expecting them to chase the white elephant of a full word builder, but given EW's involvement, I guessed that the choir would have a series of Latin phonemes with adjustable consonant/vowel releases, making it land about halfway between Oceania and Hollywood Choirs in terms of complexity. It's a pass for me at this price/design point but I'm not disappointed. They have made their philosophy crystal clear about what currently excites them in sampling, they are on a different path from a lot of developers, and this instrument sounds stunning and achieves those aims.
edit - For what it's worth, they are running banner ads on VIC... just saw one after posting this.
That's how I viewed it also... however, given the download snafu I've had time to think...and since you have this library I have a few concerns...If I'm missing something, let me know or hope Spitfire will chime in...First time Ive begun to feal a bit of buyers remorse BEFORE even spending time with a library!
NO NKS really sucks... my Kontrol 88 is a pleasure to use with a zillion of my other libraries, including SA's... wtf?
No multi core/threading? I invested in an i9 10 core monster for a reason! Maybe I missed this but not mentioned in manual either... Am I missing something here? Has this been addressed elsewhere?
What''s they point of this "new" engine? To save licencing fees? Why no NKS? Save money? What does new engine give us that Kontakt doesn't? Curious... has this been discussed? I've been away.
If this is how it seems & the way Spitfire's going, I'm done. Have quite enough anyway, already
! Hopefully the above will be clarified and I'll feel better tomorrow... nighty night!
Multi-threading is usually handled by your DAW, no need for plugins to support multi-threading. Some plugins do, because their creators believe that some people will run a single instance of their plugin and nothing else (or not much else). But if you're using a large number of plugins anyway, multi-threading should be handled by your DAW. U-he Diva for example explicitly advises you to disable multi-threading in the plugin if you're using multiple instances, so that Diva's multi-threading doesn't interfere with the multi-threading done by your DAW.
A Native Instruments employee also talks about that here: https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/115002515485-Multi-cores-on-CPU-s
Hmmmm...thanks for the response. I'm no computer wiz but on my last 6 core Intel machine putting Diva in multi core hugely improved core balancing and reduced peaks/overload in some heavy Diva patches...ears didnt lie and on daws that actually attempt to show this (sonar did while cubase/studio one don't ) it was visually clear. Kontakt includes it for heavy loads... indeed, this lack of multi core in Falcon has been mentioned as a reason why it'll never effectively compete with Kontakt as a multichannel sample playback machine My other concern is look how long it took ewql to get their Play engine to be efficient... well, I'll wait till I see what the GUI allows. If it only allows one instrument per plug instance, yea, that makes sense I guess.
I understand DAWs allocate individual plugs, with a controversial level of success depending on the daw. But thanks...maybe much ado about nothing.at least the multicore...maybe not, depending on the multichannel capabilities of the GUI. It's late. Brain dead!
Would still like to see the rational for going away from Kontakt, advantage and what's lost. Pros & Cons And why NO NKS??? NI piss off Christian? Brexit? I'm getting loopy now
Will love to know your thoughts when you've spent some time with the library. It's sounds lovely.
Also, sorry to derail slightly, but what CPU i9 10 core did you choose?
Edit... Sorry, just notice your signature. Nevermind and back to...
I was at the launch event yesterday and I have to say I was impressed. Eric and his singers beautifully performed two pieces immediately before Paul was demoing the new library. Now that is some courage right there!
I love the sound of the library (they had a demo station you could play the library on Logic with headphones). It is unique and specialized (like HZ strings) and not everybody will have a need / budget for this. I monitored the CPU usage in Logic while playing around with the patches and it was a little high for my taste but in the end I don't really mind as all what counts is the sound.
The sound is absolutely gorgeous.
I'm really loving it, performance is great on my old rig. Sounds lovely. Here's a little something I put together this morning (I'm no Andy Blaney!)
My god this is it??? 165gb, of ooohss and aaaahss, I really dont get whey everybody is so excited about this??? I really expected a tiny bit more...
they have uuuuhhs as well
Sounds amazing. I can never get my head around Choir (I mean, I used to sing in one when I was a kid) libraries. There's always, to me, the issue of them only being able to sing oohs, ahhhhh, laaaahs etc and never singing actual words. Must be a nightmare to create a word builder but I always look at Choir libraries as a Textural thing. To me, for textures, this is a must buy but alas, I don't need choirs in music I am currently writing so it will be a future purchase. I'm so very glad it's a choral choir and not a library that instantly makes me think of dragons, armoured Unicorn riders and magic potions. Looking forward to hearing music people write with it as it does sound amazing.
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