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Eric Whitacre Choir

Paul Cardon

Ninja Otter Music
I'm in Seattle - most of my clients are big tech companies. I do video production, so my internet traffic averages 2-3TB a month, much of which is to/from companies also using AWS, but the only developer I have these glacial speeds with is Spitfire. I have no idea why. With a decent hosting provider this library should take around 30 mins to download, but it's actually looking like it's going to be >20 hours.
So when you use AWS and Cloudfront, you do subscribe to bandwidth tiers, and it's possible that Spitfire subscribes to a lower tier as, honestly, they're not pushing super massive amounts of data all the time, and their bandwidth limit might be constrained due to this release.

I'm down in LA and I normally get great speeds, and evidenced by the screenshot above, I'm maxing out my 100Mb/s download speeds today, so again, I don't think it's Spitfire themselves, rather the Cloudfront CDN.
 

Geoff Grace

Senior Member
IMHO, this would be a shame, as well as push me further toward paying more attention to alternate sources. This is a very active and open Forum, which provides a steady flow of worldwide opinions and perspectives. YT is terrific for what is does well, but loss of Spitfire Audio here seems a large, net loss for SF.
Agree … was quite surprised to see initial post not made by SFA on COMMERCIAL Announcements. :notworthy:
As Spitfire posted in this thread just earlier today, I wouldn't go as far as to describe the situation as a "loss of Spitfire Audio here;" but I share your sentiment, sostenuto, that it would be great if they would ramp up their involvement at VI Control again.

Best,

Geoff
 

Vastman

we make the future
It certainly seems clear that Spitfire has decided to reduce—but not eliminate—its involvement here, while at the same time increasing its presence at YouTube.

Best,

Geoff
Well, I'm glad I checked in today and visited THIS forum!
What an exciting choir. Love the personality and emotion... different from the typical religious mumbo jumbo and typical stuff cluttering my drives. This was an instant buy for me after listening to/watching the stuff on SA's site. Just got my download notification and had to download a NEW version on SA's downloader for it to appear...

While I have acquired a ridiculous (and, in retrospect, foolish) amount of traditional orchestrals over the years I find myself gravitating to the Olafur's, Swarm, & Heavyocity's Forzo/Novo & OT's Time Macro & ARKs these days, being primarily a songwriter. It is a glorious moment to be a singer songwriter!

I'll be up all night at this rate but it's a great reason to pull an all nighter! Very excited.
 
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D Halgren

Senior Member
Meh. 4 1/2 hours later it's not even at 25%. Still crawling along at 22Mbps. I paused and ran a separate download test and got 768Mbps, so it's not the fault of the line. Is anyone else seeing better speeds?

I don't know whether they need to recode the app for multithreaded downloads (like Continuata) or just get a better hosting provider, but this is pathetic given the huge size of the libraries!
I'm seeing the same kind of speeds here in Portland. I've paused it and restarted, and seen it rise up to 50Mbps, but when I went back, it was back to 20-22ish. Ugh!!!
 

Vastman

we make the future
As Spitfire posted in this thread just earlier today, I wouldn't go as far as to describe the situation as a "loss of Spitfire Audio here;" but I share your sentiment, sostenuto, that it would be great if they would ramp up their involvement at VI Control again.

Best,

Geoff
I agree. With one caveat...Post on release or when "real" info can be conveyed so we don't have 20 pages of speculation and wackamole mumbo jumbo before REAL discussions can begin! THIS got very old for me as time is precious these days. Mind you, I own nearly ALL Spitfire libraries but wading through a bunch of blather and speculation I did not enjoy although others might find it fun.

FWIW, I may have totally missed the intro of this had I not meandered into Sample Talk, which I seldom do these days.

Glad I stopped by! Will be having a blast tonight, inspired by this lovely new creation... a choir full of subtle emotion, which I absolutely ADORE! Should blend nice with OT's Time macro choir and their Metropolis Choirs... I think now I'm set!
 
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Vastman

we make the future
I'm seeing the same kind of speeds here in Portland. I've paused it and restarted, and seen it rise up to 50Mbps, but when I went back it was back to 20-22ish. Ugh!!!
I'm in Coeur d'Alene Idaho on Spectrum and download speed is hovering between 44 and 51 Mbps here... Update: now down to 35 Mbps after a couple hours... only 33GBs downloaded so far...Oy!

TBH, I remember dial up so ain't gonna whine about it... just can't look forward to an all nighter of bliss as this rate...

maybe that china spy chip they hid in a lot of server boards is busy usurping Amazon's cloud at the moment... lot's of goodies stored there... :whistling:
 
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JT

Senior Member
Congrats to Spitfire & Eric Whitacre. It sounds like a winner to me. For those not familiar with Eric, besides choral music, he's also a wonderful orchestra and band composer. And for those who like to study scores and learn about vocal writing, much of his music is published and the choral pieces are just a couple bucks.
 

AllanH

Senior Member
IMHO, this would be a shame, as well as push me further toward paying more attention to alternate sources. This is a very active and open Forum, which provides a steady flow of worldwide opinions and perspectives. YT is terrific for what is does well, but loss of Spitfire Audio here seems a large, net loss for SF.

Agree … was quite surprised to see initial post not made by SFA on COMMERCIAL Announcements. :notworthy:
It's a pity, but Spitfire seems to want to be in control of the narrative, and that's not the case here. Interestingly, Spitfire has yet to post in commercial announcements, so they are clearly "making a statement" regarding their participation. The choir sounds wonderful and worth the wait.
 

Bill the Lesser

Active Member
Bobbing up and down between 22 and 35 Mbps here, have tried stop/start a couple times to no avail. It'll probably jump up to 300Mbps on the last gigabyte in the wee hours of tomorrow. Here, let's try an experiment...everybody stop downloading except me...

Anyway, just looked at Paul's video for the first time. Lovin' that new EVO design! At long last it makes sense in relation to the keyboard. Nice to have the volume and pan on sliders. An ergonomist has been at play there. Would like to see the older EVOs updated to that scheme.

The sound is relatively dry on the closer mics! What a surprise. Or maybe I'm just not used to hearing choirs in that hall. I don't see any problems making that work with most anything I've got.
 

MillsMixx

Production Director/Sound Designer
Sorry to hear about the slow downloads guys. I hope you get there!

I freakin' love this library. Hats off to Spitfire & Eric and I'm definitely going to buy it before the intro price ends.

I must say though as an owner of a lot of other choirs (and after listening to the demos and walkthroughs) I'm really not sure if I can't already achieve the same sort of sounds with a lot of the other choir offerings out there with a little FX & tweaking. What I'm hearing in the evolving textures in the evos are very subtle.

In my experience if you drench a choir sample (from any library) in a lot of good reverb and keep it softer in the mix you can achieve some similar yet amazing results. It all tends to blend together as a glorious pad in an arrangement, especially if you team it up with some other evolving type textures.

I'm actually glad that they didn't do a word-builder. Listening to Eric's comments about that in the interview it makes sense. And for Epic Trailer stuff there's probably better choices out there. I mean legato schmegato right? What we're seeing here is more of a focus on atmospheric sound design which is the direction Spitfire seems to be pioneering and does so well with Chamber Evolutions, Swarms, etc..

While these sort of libraries are perfect for my own personal style and taste I'm struggling to weigh out "will it really add that much more to my already existing palette?" I was hoping for Kontakt but after seeing the "How it Works" section on the site I'm becoming a bit more intrigued.

I think where this library really stands out is in the singer's voices. They have a different unique tone then other libs out there and this is where Eric's signature shines. I wouldn't really call it a one trick pony as its two libraries in one for sure, but I feel the Evos are definitely the strong point, take more of the spotlight, and the gem of this collection.
 

Lee Blaske

Senior Member
It's a pity, but Spitfire seems to want to be in control of the narrative, and that's not the case here. Interestingly, Spitfire has yet to post in commercial announcements, so they are clearly "making a statement" regarding their participation. The choir sounds wonderful and worth the wait.
I don't see them wanting to control the narrative as much as I see them not wanting to engage in combat, which is what they have to do if they regularly make appearances here. Why spend time confronting angry people with screen names when you may not have a clear picture of their motives and agenda? Spitfire is an amazingly responsive company. If you have a problem, you can have instantaneous communication with their tech support (at least, someone has always been there to immediately answer a question whenever I had one to ask). I think they're just choosing to take the high road.
 

windyweekend

Active Member
Am interested to hear from the early downloaders what the RAM situation is with this. Hans Zimmer Strings was a beast of a RAM and disk hog that I don’t think I’ll ever be able to use it for more than a layer tool (~500+MB for every single patch). If this one looks the same it might give me second thoughts. The HZS experience has definitely made me hesitant in this until I’ve heard some experiences.

Would be really grateful for some insights from those brave enough to dive in altready.

Thanks!
 

Mucusman

Enthusiastic hobbyist
I think where this library really stands out is in the singer's voices. They have a different unique tone then other libs out there and this is where Eric's signature shines.
This.

And... while this is indeed lovely -- and unique -- I was hoping that this library might better approach what they are clearly saying it does not do -- nudge further towards replacing a live choir. In my choir mock-up attempts, oohs and ahs can only go so far; I was hoping for more of a word building approach. But that's just me. I can see how their offering fits a certain niche, but this niche isn't one that I feel compelled to open my wallet to enjoy. So my wallet, at least for now, is giving a sigh of relief.

I've been eyeing some other choirs available but have been waiting to see what Spitfire was going to offer. Not to take away from what they've accomplished with this release, just not what I need.
 

sostenuto

Big NKS Fan !
I don't see them wanting to control the narrative as much as I see them not wanting to engage in combat, which is what they have to do if they regularly make appearances here. Why spend time confronting angry people with screen names when you may not have a clear picture of their motives and agenda? Spitfire is an amazingly responsive company. If you have a problem, you can have instantaneous communication with their tech support (at least, someone has always been there to immediately answer a question whenever I had one to ask). I think they're just choosing to take the high road.
I don't 'disagree' yet they surely do not need to respond unless there is something positive to post, or only 'Like'.
I notice responsive posts from OT _ Tobias over time and they all seem to be essentially on the 'high road'.
It is surely not my intent to state other than my personal preference .... that SF maintains a helpful presence here, in what ever form they choose. ;)
 

ism

Senior Member
With every respect all the ways in which the Nevada landscape contributed to the shaping of the sound, and the British singers and engineers ...

... but listening to those demos, wow this is absolutely the Nordic choir I’ve been waiting for.
 
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