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playz123

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Other posts suggest complementary libraries (e.g. Dominus, Insolidus) …. and I'm asking whether these should be in place before EWC. :barefoot:
I can only speak for my own approach, but there's a reason I have many choirs...choice. The choir I use for a composition depends on what I'm writing and what other libraries are being used as well. Every choir library has both pros and cons. Not everyone has the luxury of choice though, so it's really important when choosing the first few choirs to pick ones that you feel at the time will best help you meet your goals. I know...that is obvious, but nevertheless worth repeating. One choir I can suggest you check out is Genesis childrens choir by Audiobro. It's a keeper. There are many choirs that can do epic. Dominus is worth considering for sure, and will be developed further at some point. The Virharmonic choirs are very versatile, and Soundiron Olympus series has many useful features. Venus is my favourite Soundiron choir. I certainly don't envy the decisions you have to make, but hopefully you will end up being happy with your choices.
 

sostenuto

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I can only speak for my own approach, but there's a reason I have many choirs...choice. The choir I use for a composition depends on what I'm writing and what other libraries are being used as well. ***** One choir I can suggest you check out is Genesis childrens choir by Audiobro. It's a keeper. ***** I certainly don't envy the decisions you have to make, but hopefully you will end up being happy with your choices.
:thumbsup: Yes … the choices are many, and become muddier without a specific project in focus. This immediate interest clearly arose with EWC Intro, and 8DIO Insolidus Sale. Perhaps this should not be a basis for moving forward …...

Genesis is definitely high on the list, but inexperience with limits of Childrens' Choir is a factor.
I have Arva, Freyja. Wotan, and Storm Choir1, so Genesis new engine could well be a solid choice.

Some days to decide, and hopefully more discussion of EWC will help.

THX !
 
I didn't read this (edit: whole) thread because it's starting to seem silly.

I came here to ask (because I couldn't find it by searching here) if anyone noticed at 27:38 of this video:
CH and Eric talk about giving something away, maybe video of the footage they shot for the teasers, maybe a small snippet of the library, so folks can try it out and write music to these videos. Did I miss something? Or was that another Spitfire cheeky sneak peek? :)
 
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sostenuto

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Apprx 10 days left for EWC Intro price.
Lots of useful / informative info here and hope it does not diminish before Nov.
As with @ ism _ ' I like a touch of silliness in my vi-c threads ' :alien:
 

ism

Senior Member
Your many informative Posts are much appreciated. As they evolve, I'm left wondering how you would advise impressed prospects who do not yet have a 'mainstream' Choral library.
Are there 'essential' missing pieces with EWC that must be considered ?
Current 'uninformed' leaning _ as keyboardist with weak MIDI skills _ is toward Dominus /EWC ….. for ease of playing-in creations.

Other posts suggest complementary libraries (e.g. Dominus, Insolidus) …. and I'm asking whether these should be in place before EWC. :barefoot:

I'm really not one to ask about what choir library to buy in that my experience, historically, is mostly buying the wrong ones.

But I think the interesting question here is how the notion of a 'mainstream' choir library has been changing, certainly with EWC, but beginning - at least in my understanding - with Dominus.

Before Dominus I think it was fair to say that a 'mainstream' choir was more or less an epic, or maybe symphonic, choir. At least in the sample library world this was true, because of course in the world of really singers actually singing in actual real choirs the epic was never so dominant as to qualify as 'mainstream'

And you see this addressed both subtly and not so subtly in the interview with Eric - I really like his quote about a choir having the range of a symphony. Which at first sounds like a Blakean 'world in a grain of sand' sentiment. And to some people it surely is - EWC has all these very finely crafted detailed textures that go to incredible depth. From the perspective of the expressive dimensions of the 'conventional' epic choir, it might very well seem like the diminishing returns of zooming in to incredibly fine detail - like counting grains of sand on the head of a pin. A variant of the 'all you sul tastos sound the same to me' response to Tundra.

... except that maybe the world of choirs - if we step away from the dominance of the epic choir in the sample library world - maybe the EWC level of expressive detail was never a grain of sand, but always a vast sea of enormous, symphonic, expressive dimensions. Which is something that I began to feel when Dominus came out - igniting an angst for a different type of choir. I have Venus, and Mercury, which for all their extreme loveliness, never seem to do quite what I want them to. Dominus felt very different.

And then ... Time Marco hit, and its choirs were both a huge surprise and an instant revelation. It was suddenly clear just the kind of dimensions choirs could reach towards - even if there's really only one or two patches among the TM choirs that align with what I'm looking for, they really are just that stunning in how they suggest new possibilities of the choir. (The rest of the patches are fun but a bit ... well the "zzz"s and "nana"s would make a great muppet choir if you could only throw in a 'phen-om-a-na' patch - which now that I think of it,I really want).

Of course the TM choirs are also very limited. I attempted to mock of Eric's "Lux Aurumque" with TM ... which I can share if anyone's morbidly curious ... but the bottom line that while some moments within individual chords are indescribably gorgeous and suggestive of vast possibilities ahead ... you simply cannot and should not attempt Eric Whitacre mockups with TM.

One of the first things to go through my head wth when I first played a TM choir patch was ... 'what if spitfire were to do an entire library along the lines of 'choral swarm'! .... and then EWC hit (though to my deep laminations, it will probably next year before I reasonably (or unreasonably) justify another large sample library. Sigh.)

But to (sort of, if actually, not quite) answer your question ... sure, why not! I myself am totally comfortable with letting the Dominus, TM choirs, and EWC entirely redefine what a 'mainstream' choral library is - let the supposed grain of sand become the new universe. And within our brave new choral universe, relegate all the formerly mainstream epic libraries to respected, but actually, when you think of it, quite small places on the periphery.


Needless to say, you mileage may vary. :)
 
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Vastman

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Don't have Dominus (hoping for a great BF sale) but DO agree...Time Macro and EWC are a WELCOME evolution to the nice but very traditional choirs I've gotten over the years and, frankly, find little use for!

EWC, though pricey, is way more interesting from a songwriter perspective...than more expensive choirs ive bought. I kinda hope OT's next ARK is a HUGE move in this direction also and that what we saw in TM was just a tease! Kinda overloaded with the other orchestrals...Seems THIS is the area both of these giants have shied away from till now (I can only hope re: ARK 4)

Note: SSD PRICES ARE FALLING and the word is they'll continue to do so going into the new year, with the caveat that for us stuck in the F'd up USA, the orange A-hole's tariffs are also ramping starting 2019 so for us it might not help much if at all next year...even though all we buy in this area comes from Asia...go figure
 
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sostenuto

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I'm really not one to ask about what choir library to buy in that my experience, historically, is mostly buying the wrong ones.
But I think the interesting question here is how the notion of a 'mainstream' choir library has been changing, certainly with EWC, but beginning - at least in my understanding - with Dominus. *****
But to (sort of, if actually, not quite) answer your question ... sure, why not! I myself am totally comfortable with letting the Dominus, TM choirs, and EWC entirely redefine what a 'mainstream' choral library is - let the supposed grain of sand become the new universe. And within our brave new choral universe, relegate all the formerly mainstream epic libraries to respected, but actually, when you think of it, quite small places on the periphery. ***
Aaaaarrrgghhh !!! I try so hard to raise questions, but not truly wanting to imply … "what should I buy ? " My gut wants to go with EWC and Genesis, but I lose confidence not having Dominus or Insolidus in place, and learned, to some extent.
For sure, the Insolidus sale price is having more impact than perhaps it should.
If I read SFA's Intro material correctly, EWC will not be included in this Holiday promo offerings, so there remains apprx one week to decide.

Your comments have made me feel notably more comfortable with EWC or Genesis, and focusing on some serious 'choral' learning. I can surely use what I have, to better understand what I may be missing.

Thank-you for continuing to provide relevant perspectives. They are very helpful.
 
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Geoff Grace

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If I read SFA's Intro material correctly, EWC will not be included in this Holiday promo offerings, so there remains apprx one week to decide.
...or perhaps one year to decide, if you don't mind waiting for a later sale.

For what it's worth, their website says, "Please note - this product will not feature in Black Friday promotions," however nothing is said about Christmas that I can find.

Of course, if last year's Wish List sale repeats this year, one should expect a lower discount for recently released titles, perhaps 15% instead of 30% or 25% instead of 40%.

Best,

Geoff
 

zimm83

Senior Member
Don't have Dominus (hoping for a great BF sale) but DO agree...Time Macro and EWC are a WELCOME evolution to the nice but very traditional choirs I've gotten over the years and, frankly, find little use for!

EWC, though pricey, is way more interesting from a songwriter perspective...than more expensive choirs ive bought. I kinda hope OT's next ARK is a HUGE move in this direction also and that what we saw in TM was just a tease! Kinda overloaded with the other orchestrals...Seems THIS is the area both of these giants have shied away from till now (I can only hope re: ARK 4)

Note: SSD PRICES ARE FALLING and the word is they'll continue to do so going into the new year, with the caveat that for us stuck in the F'd up USA, the orange A-hole's tariffs are also ramping starting 2019 so for us it might not help much if at all next year...even though all we buy in this area comes from Asia...go figure
Really curious about What ark4 will be.....can't imagine.....maybe choir as you say....maybe.....atonal stuff....
 

miket

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let the supposed grain of sand become the new universe.
Agreed. Call me crazy, but I have to chuckle when I see the Whitacre library described as "niche" or a "grain of sand," as if it's not totally the other way around, and we haven't had tons of choral libraries over the years catering almost exclusively to one very specific mode of writing for voices.
 

MillsMixx

Production Director/Sound Designer
Have OT actually announced Ark4 or do they just release one every fall?
Curious too. Do we know if there will even be a forth installment? I've heard nothing but then it's always around Christmas time when if/when they drop one. It's what usually keeps me broke going into the new year which is usually rough after the Spitfire wish list.
I'm not sure why they would do Ark 4 as a choir library though. I would think they would make that a library that stands out on it's own. However they already have some choir elements here and there so who knows.
 

noises on

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I'm really not one to ask about what choir library to buy in that my experience, historically, is mostly buying the wrong ones.

But I think the interesting question here is how the notion of a 'mainstream' choir library has been changing, certainly with EWC, but beginning - at least in my understanding - with Dominus.

Before Dominus I think it was fair to say that a 'mainstream' choir was more or less an epic, or maybe symphonic, choir. At least in the sample library world this was true, because of course in the world of really singers actually singing in actual real choirs the epic was never so dominant as to qualify as 'mainstream'

And you see this addressed both subtly and not so subtly in the interview with Eric - I really like his quote about a choir having the range of a symphony. Which at first sounds like a Blakean 'world in a grain of sand' sentiment. And to some people it surely is - EWC has all these very finely crafted detailed textures that go to incredible depth. From the perspective of the expressive dimensions of the 'conventional' epic choir, it might very well seem like the diminishing returns of zooming in to incredibly fine detail - like counting grains of sand on the head of a pin. A variant of the 'all you sul tastos sound the same to me' response to Tundra.

... except that maybe the world of choirs - if we step away from the dominance of the epic choir in the sample library world - maybe the EWC level of expressive detail was never a grain of sand, but always a vast sea of enormous, symphonic, expressive dimensions. Which is something that I began to feel when Dominus came out - igniting an angst for a different type of choir. I have Venus, and Mercury, which for all their extreme loveliness, never seem to do quite what I want them to. Dominus felt very different.

And then ... Time Marco hit, and its choirs were both a huge surprise and an instant revelation. It was suddenly clear just the kind of dimensions choirs could reach towards - even if there's really only one or two patches among the TM choirs that align with what I'm looking for, they really are just that stunning in how they suggest new possibilities of the choir. (The rest of the patches are fun but a bit ... well the "zzz"s and "nana"s would make a great muppet choir if you could only throw in a 'phen-om-a-na' patch - which now that I think of it,I really want).

Of course the TM choirs are also very limited. I attempted to mock of Eric's "Lux Aurumque" with TM ... which I can share if anyone's morbidly curious ... but the bottom line that while some moments within individual chords are indescribably gorgeous and suggestive of vast possibilities ahead ... you simply cannot and should not attempt Eric Whitacre mockups with TM.

One of the first things to go through my head wth when I first played a TM choir patch was ... 'what if spitfire were to do an entire library along the lines of 'choral swarm'! .... and then EWC hit (though to my deep laminations, it will probably next year before I reasonably (or unreasonably) justify another large sample library. Sigh.)

But to (sort of, if actually, not quite) answer your question ... sure, why not! I myself am totally comfortable with letting the Dominus, TM choirs, and EWC entirely redefine what a 'mainstream' choral library is - let the supposed grain of sand become the new universe. And within our brave new choral universe, relegate all the formerly mainstream epic libraries to respected, but actually, when you think of it, quite small places on the periphery.


Needless to say, you mileage may vary. :)
Great post ...thank you
 
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